Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
"Are you getting this icy weather?"
Its probably about 10 degrees outside and snowing hard. We're in for as much as couple of feet they say. We'll be closing the office in about 1 hour. Virtually all the courts are closed but we all had work to do so we drove in. Left the BMWs home though today! :)
Frankly I think the fragmenting of the church by deeming individuals to be infailable started in the RC if you must know. Then the protestants magnified this approach by making everyone Pope. Both inspired by the same spirit.
Don't you think the Word of God can stand on it's own? Does one really have to have someone interpret the whole thing for him?
By the way, it sounds like you don't believe the pope is infallible.
Same here although we didn't get the snow amounts but the frozen rain is worse. Interesting that the staff was here early and the younger lawyers straggeled in late. Apparently the younger guys haven't trained their wives to shovel the snow early.
I think there's legions of wolves trying to pervert the word of God and that the word should be gaurded against 'infailable individuals' who try to create cults around themselves and their 'interpretations'(perversions of the Word).
indeed i do not beleive the Pope is infailable.
People that think RC doctrines are wrong to not think themselves infallible. Just don't agree that the RCC is "The Church". There is a hugh difference. It's dishonest to suggest that I think I'm infallible because I think the RCC is wrong.
"Apparently the younger guys haven't trained their wives to shovel the snow early."
I'm a sport. I bought mine a snowblower! :)
it's not about you! that's the whole point that folks need to understand no one man has any sort of superior idea of what scripture is or means.
yet every day some new break away schismatics run off after some looped out pastor who insist he alone is the prophet who REALLY knows what scripture means. that is no less arogant and idiotic than is saying that one guy with a pointy hat can speak infailably with regard to doctrine.
that's why the orthodox hold only the 7 ecumenical councils where hundreds of Bishops from every place Christiainity had been spread to got together and decided these things.
Even in scripture we see questions of doctrine being decided in councils. The first council at Jerusalem where James Paul and Peter attended.
These folks were all inspired to Christianity by God and they still were failable in matters of doctrine INDIVIDUALLY.
I can't pin down what you are trying to say. No wonder I usually stick to the topic of Mary. It is the topic that is most clear to me in defining RC doctrinal problems.
We now return you to the regularly scheduled pontifications and diatribes.
you routinely try to disguise your wolves as straw dogs...
So you are saying that Protestants are generally more evil than Catholics therefore it is the protestants that have the false teachers and there are no false teachers or teachings in the RCC? Does that sum up?
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Wellllll, Dear Heart DM, it SEEMS to be like this . . .
When one has a rubber Bible and/or a rubber dictionary and/or rubber tradition . . .
THEN
it is EASY to acquire rubber standards.
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Personally, I have found God to be exceedingly full of 'common sense' as well as well beyond perfect GODLY UNCOMMON sense.
He comes across to me as exceedingly creative. And, in some matters--flexible. If eating meat bothers your conscience, don't eat meat. If you can eat in clear conscience and not cause a brother to stumble--eat to good health.
Sometimes God doesn't CARE whether you want chocolate or vanilla ice cream--CHOOSE AND ENJOY.
And, many times, what MIGHT have started out as a God-preference--ends up being hated of God because of the turmoil flesh driven, problem that prissy "Christians" make of it.
Mostly God is concerned that we Love Him wholly; others as ourselves and do unto others as we'd choose to be done unto AND FORGIVE ALL THOROUGHLY.
To some degree, beyond the core basics, the rest is do much detail that depends on a lot of contextual and heart motive things.
imho.
So, rubber standards depend, too on what we are talking about. So often, it's rubber standards for the person talking and rigid prissy standards that THEY apply to EVERYONE ELSE.
I KNOW God is NOT in favor of THAT by a trillion miles.
well since i'm not an RC I can't help you much there.
the point is the only infailable doctrines come from the ecumenical councils where the whole church was present not some rogue 'prophet' band of 'prophets' or band of rogue 'bishops'.
I still maintain that the bible warns about false teachers. When I hear teaching that is not in the bible and that is often the very opposite of what the bible say that is pretty simple proof that a teacher or even a whole denomination is false. The bible places unlimited confidence in itself but not in man. The bible's definition of the Church has never been the RCC so any verses about the Church can only be about believers, not a particular denomination.
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Well put.
oh c'mon you're Bible's a subjective joke, where the apostles drone on wasting their words for 282 words of scripture which aren't applicable because they contradict your church's traditions.
I think there's legions of wolves trying to pervert the word of God and that the word should be gaurded against 'infailable individuals' who try to create cults around themselves and their 'interpretations'(perversions of the Word).
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Have there been folks who did that? Certainly--in Protestantism and in the Roman system. Probably in the Orthodox system as well.
Is every or even more than a minute percentage of Protesties involved in such. Absolutely not. At least not in the sense it seems to be meant.
Certainly every leader in every group has a human tendency to think they have a corner on truth and everyone ought to believe exactly like them. And that is often a slippery slope to error and other gross junk. But no one is immune from that. It requires constant sensitivity to Holy Spirit and constantly purified motives of the heart to avoid such.
By all individuals in all groups.
imho.
Like the Spanish inquisition?
Or the slaughter of my Huguenot ancestors?
Or facilitating the extermination of the Jews during WWII?
Oh, I forgot, that wasn't the Protestants now, was it.
Hey the Orthodox were AT LEAST AS PERSECUTED.
Check out what happened in Constaninople in 1204. What happened when Catholic Poland conquered Ukraine and Belarus in the late 1500s.
Protestants whine like they're the only folks the Catholics ever persecuted.
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