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Ping!


3 posted on 06/14/2006 8:20:22 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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Pray for our priests!!!!!!


5 posted on 06/14/2006 9:01:58 AM PDT by MudPuppy (St Michael Protect Us!)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Sadly, I am aware of Fr. P's passion. I live in the Palm Beach Diocese. We had two consecutive queer Bishops who fled when their queer pederasty was exposed.

The last Bishop was the worst. Bishop Anthony O'Connell. He actually called/emailed/faxes priests to go to the Cathedral for a special meeting. Unbeknownst to them was Bishop O'Connell's actions in queerdom or the real reason they were asked to come to the Cathedral. The Bishop wanted them there while he admitted he'd been caught with kids with his cassock off, so as to appear they were there suporting him. I know one Priest very well who was ROYALLY RIPPED.

My personal experience with Bishop Barbarito has been minimal - and unsatisfying. The Palm Beach Post printed a horrible editorial written by a priest-theologian-teacher from the local Seminary. I responded to the PBP and cited his commments and Catholic Doctrine illustrating his errors and copied Bishop B. and the Diocese. I asked for a response.

The PBP didn't print my letter. (They seldom do). The Bishop/Chancery didn't respomd to me (proly too busy I guess).

C'est la vie

12 posted on 06/14/2006 11:15:00 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: Convert from ECUSA

The Roman Catholic Church has been in similar, and worse, situations before. To cite one instance, the period of the Reformation. Corruption, sins of moral turpitude, and all manner of un-Christian behaviour were ubiquitous.

But this was all the prelude to the "Counter-Reformation". It was initially a response to the reform movement but it soon took on a life of its own guided by the Holy Spirit.

The Council of Trent, which convened intermittently for 18 years (1545-63) conducted a root and branch reform of the Church. Many volumes have been written about the post-Tridentine Church but, suffice it to say, it DID reform and breath new life into the institutional church.

My point is that genuine, authentic and lasting reform must begin from WITHIN. Martin Luther (whatever one may think of him or his theology) was an obscure monk in holy orders (and many monks are not), a doctor of theology, and a professor at Wittenburg. His initial intention was not to start a "reformation" in 1517 but to REFORM the catholic church.

What will sooner or later happen (in my opinion) is that a movement will begin spontaneously and spread throughout the Roman Catholic Church and fully revitalize and rejuvenate it.

An old saying: the Church is an anvil that's worn out many hammers.


20 posted on 06/14/2006 6:41:26 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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