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To: Quester; restornu

>>>>Whether or not you believe it, you got to admit it’s
>>>>a beautiful way to look at it.

>>It might be ... but God disavowed the possibility of
>> such a plan as He spoke through the prophet Isaiah ...

>>Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have
>>chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me
>>there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

You always stop too soon.

Isaiah 43: 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

Isaiah 43: 12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

So, he was talking about being the only "Savior" available. I ,of course, agree with the scripture, just not your interpretation of it. I say this is debatable, because we are indeed debating it. What say you?

Let me guess, “You are wrong, you will go to hell for your misinterpretation of the Bible, and your belief in other scripture” Yawn, Been there done that.

How about this, there is a specific structure to Biblical language that is known as a “Chiasm” Basically, you say what you want to say, and then say it backwards ending with a similar sentence to the first one. Notice how Isaiah 43:10 starts with “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD” and Isaiah 43:12 Ends with “therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.” This was a coherent thought, when written which has been chopped up in a most barbarous manner by the monks who knew nothing of Hebrew structure when they added Verses to the Bible. So they broke up what would have been a contiguous thought in the original text. I think you would agree that chopping up a sentence into “Sub” sentences can change meanings of individual parts.

If you are looking at a scripture, read both before and after it to get the context, see if you can spot a Chiasm, as this will tell you where the thought started, and where it stopped. Read the whole Chiasm, to get the context of the scripture

Here is a web site on this (http://www.societaschristiana.com/?p=22 ) there are many more which discuss how what we know now changes how the bible should be interpreted. BTW Yes this is part of the “plain and precious truths” that we believe was lost. Isaiah is a wonderful place to look for Chiasms, oh, and BTW they also appear in the Book of Mormon even though Scholars of the day didn’t know about them yet, so how did Joseph Smith? (Big Grin)


707 posted on 05/14/2006 1:18:44 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; Grig; restornu; colorcountry
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 43: 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

Isaiah 43: 12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.


So, he was talking about being the only "Savior" available. I ,of course, agree with the scripture, just not your interpretation of it. I say this is debatable, because we are indeed debating it. What say you?

Let me guess, “You are wrong, you will go to hell for your misinterpretation of the Bible, and your belief in other scripture” Yawn, Been there done that.


I say that the passage clearly speaks of the One and Only God ... and the One and Only Saviour.

I say that this is confirmed in other places in scripture.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I say that the belief that there is more than one Eternal God is wrong ... and that it cannot be supported from Bible scripture.

718 posted on 05/14/2006 8:05:04 PM PDT by Quester
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To: DelphiUser
I've been studying chiasms lately, especially those in the Book of Mormon. Fascinating that the first book about chiasms was written about 10 years after Joseph Smith was assassinated. To me, it is more evidence that Joseph Smith translated an ancient text for us today. This link explains chiasms in the Book of Mormon, and then gives many more links for further study.
Chiasmus in the Book of Mormon Possible Evidence of Authenticity
722 posted on 05/14/2006 11:14:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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