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To: DelphiUser
In death, resurrection, and exaltation, Jesus Christ showed the path we can follow if we will just believe on his name and keep his commandments. Thus becoming Gods as he is now.

Whether or not you believe it, you got to admit it’s a beautiful way to look at it.


It might be ... but God disavowed the possibility of such a plan as He spoke through the prophet Isaiah ...
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

696 posted on 05/13/2006 12:48:54 PM PDT by Quester
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To: Quester; DelphiUser; Grig
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me

Yes and this God you are talking about is Jesus Christ the Only begotten of the Heavenly Father!

Therefore there will be none formed after him because Jesus was the only begotten one who was formed!

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Isa.51
(This is the Son of God!) 11 Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away.

12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;

13 And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

14 The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, and that he should not die in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.

15 But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name.

16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

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Abraham3
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.

21 I dwell in the midst of them all; I now, therefore, have come down unto thee to declare unto thee the works which my hands have made, wherein my wisdom excelleth them all, for I rule in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath, in all wisdom and prudence, over all the intelligences thine eyes have seen from the beginning; I came down in the beginning in the midst of all the intelligences thou hast seen.

22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;

(was like unto God, Jesus the Son) 25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

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Man will always be lesser than the Godhead when those worthy souls receive their inheiritance and are joint heirs!

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Mat 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

John 14:28 ...I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. [Christ speaking]

John 10: 33-36
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

697 posted on 05/13/2006 2:05:57 PM PDT by restornu ("I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves." ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Quester; restornu

>>>>Whether or not you believe it, you got to admit it’s
>>>>a beautiful way to look at it.

>>It might be ... but God disavowed the possibility of
>> such a plan as He spoke through the prophet Isaiah ...

>>Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have
>>chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me
>>there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

You always stop too soon.

Isaiah 43: 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

Isaiah 43: 12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

So, he was talking about being the only "Savior" available. I ,of course, agree with the scripture, just not your interpretation of it. I say this is debatable, because we are indeed debating it. What say you?

Let me guess, “You are wrong, you will go to hell for your misinterpretation of the Bible, and your belief in other scripture” Yawn, Been there done that.

How about this, there is a specific structure to Biblical language that is known as a “Chiasm” Basically, you say what you want to say, and then say it backwards ending with a similar sentence to the first one. Notice how Isaiah 43:10 starts with “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD” and Isaiah 43:12 Ends with “therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.” This was a coherent thought, when written which has been chopped up in a most barbarous manner by the monks who knew nothing of Hebrew structure when they added Verses to the Bible. So they broke up what would have been a contiguous thought in the original text. I think you would agree that chopping up a sentence into “Sub” sentences can change meanings of individual parts.

If you are looking at a scripture, read both before and after it to get the context, see if you can spot a Chiasm, as this will tell you where the thought started, and where it stopped. Read the whole Chiasm, to get the context of the scripture

Here is a web site on this (http://www.societaschristiana.com/?p=22 ) there are many more which discuss how what we know now changes how the bible should be interpreted. BTW Yes this is part of the “plain and precious truths” that we believe was lost. Isaiah is a wonderful place to look for Chiasms, oh, and BTW they also appear in the Book of Mormon even though Scholars of the day didn’t know about them yet, so how did Joseph Smith? (Big Grin)


707 posted on 05/14/2006 1:18:44 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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