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To: ears_to_hear

Religious freedom only applied to Protestants. If you were a Catholic you had no place in society. Catholics in New Hampshire didn't even have the right to vote until after the Civil War.

Any Catholic priest who entered Calvinist Massachusetts during the 17th century was liable for death.

Perhaps I should clarify myself. Calvinism of the 16th and 17th centuries.

Calvinism was so abhorrent to its adherents that only the most zealous stayed. Areas of America and Europe that once had heavy Calvinist populations today are the most secular.

New England, France, Holland, Switzerland, Scotland, etc.

Besides Puritan Massachusetts all I need to do is look how tolerant Oliver Cromwell and his ultra-Calvinist Roundheads were to the Catholics in England, Scotland and Ireland.

Jansenism, aka Catholc Calvinism, in part, occasioned the French Revolution as a reaction to it.

Fundamentalist Calvinism is tolerant, just as long as you are a Calvinist.


150 posted on 04/21/2006 11:05:23 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight
Fundamentalist Calvinism is tolerant, just as long as you are a Calvinist.

Fundamentalist Catholics aren't exactly friendly to non-Catholics. What was it that St. Cyprian said? Something like ex ecclesia nulla salus? Then there was Pope Bonifice, that there can be no salvation unless one is subject to the Pope who sits in the chair of St. Peter? Leaves all Protestants and Orthodox Christians in the cold.

Let's not pretend Calvinist fundamentalists have a corner on Christian intolerance. There are intolerant Calvinists, intolerant Baptists, intolerant Catholics, and intolerant Plymouth Brethren. Who gives a flying leap what the narrow-minded ignorants think?

The question is much more narrow - what role did God play in predestination. Whether Calvinists have been over-excited in the past is irrelevant to that question, but only serves to distract from a close read of the exegesis of the Scriptures.

154 posted on 04/21/2006 11:20:31 AM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: pravknight; ears_to_hear; jude24
"Fundamentalist Calvinism is tolerant, just as long as you are a Calvinist."

Bzzt! Bzzzzzttt!! BZZZZZZT!!!

You are automatically disqualified and forfeit the argument for appealing to...

"tolerance"

...that insipid non-word of the Left.

Be ashamed!

Be very ashamed!!!

155 posted on 04/21/2006 11:32:30 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: pravknight
I am adamantly not a Calvinist.
That being said, it is dishonest to view history without trying to be (at least a little) self-critical.
The Roman Catholic Church and her followers were involved in as many acts of infamy as were the various branches of the reformers. Surely you know that if you cite Elizabeth the anti-papist will decry " Bloody Mary"and so on...
Your list is remarkably free of any honest discussion of the " plank in your own eye."
The Truth, everyone, that is what we are supposed to seek.
166 posted on 04/21/2006 12:30:44 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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