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To: Quester

"Do you realize what the serpent's lie was in the garden ?

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. "

I always thought that the serpant's lie was located in 3:4, because, as (I think) we all agree, Adam and Eve became mortal by eating the fruit.

As for 3:5, I also think that we agree that the first part was not a lie; in fact, Adam's and Eve's eyes were opened. How else did they know they were naked and hide from God? In fact, Genesis 3:7 confirms that this wasn't a lie, when it says that their eyes were opened.

Now this leads us to the second part of 3:5. First, there are two ways to look at the "and ye shall be as Gods" language. The first is that it means they will be as Gods in every sense, which seems to be your contention, and that this was a lie. However, it is just as plausible, if not moreso, to read that they will just be as Gods to the degree that they will know good and evil. If this is the true meaning, then it's just a continuation of the first half of the verse and also true, as confirmed in verse 7.

If, however, it is to be interpreted as you suggest, to mean that they will become as Gods in every sense, then how do we know this is a lie? Sure the serpant had lied about living forever, but immediately preceding this (in the same line of thought) he had told them a truth, concerning their eyes being opened. How do we know whether he was continuing to tell the truth or if he had reverted to his deceitful ways? This passage doesn't come close to proving either side, it is too fraught with ambiguity (as is much of what has been discussed here over the past couple of days).


334 posted on 01/04/2006 12:52:20 PM PST by ScratchHatch
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To: ScratchHatch
"Do you realize what the serpent's lie was in the garden ?
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. "
I always thought that the serpant's lie was located in 3:4, because, as (I think) we all agree, Adam and Eve became mortal by eating the fruit.

As for 3:5, I also think that we agree that the first part was not a lie; in fact, Adam's and Eve's eyes were opened. How else did they know they were naked and hide from God? In fact, Genesis 3:7 confirms that this wasn't a lie, when it says that their eyes were opened.

Now this leads us to the second part of 3:5. First, there are two ways to look at the "and ye shall be as Gods" language. The first is that it means they will be as Gods in every sense, which seems to be your contention, and that this was a lie. However, it is just as plausible, if not moreso, to read that they will just be as Gods to the degree that they will know good and evil. If this is the true meaning, then it's just a continuation of the first half of the verse and also true, as confirmed in verse 7.

If, however, it is to be interpreted as you suggest, to mean that they will become as Gods in every sense, then how do we know this is a lie? Sure the serpant had lied about living forever, but immediately preceding this (in the same line of thought) he had told them a truth, concerning their eyes being opened. How do we know whether he was continuing to tell the truth or if he had reverted to his deceitful ways? This passage doesn't come close to proving either side, it is too fraught with ambiguity (as is much of what has been discussed here over the past couple of days).


Which is why I go to Isaiah (the prophet) ... to clarify the issue.

Here God says that there have been no other, ... neither are there any other, ... nor will there ever be any other ... Gods besides Him.

see post #297

335 posted on 01/04/2006 1:05:57 PM PST by Quester (If you can't trust Jesus, ... who can you trust ?)
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To: ScratchHatch
"and ye shall be as Gods" language.

I think these gods lower case g!

Only the Godhead is capital G!

336 posted on 01/04/2006 1:17:54 PM PST by restornu (Everyone has a photographic memory some just don't have film!:)
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