[Palladin]

All Christian sects teach works as part of salvation. Some require baptism (a work). All require some sort of sinners prayer asking the Lord for forgiveness and accepting Christ as Savior (a work). All teach that saved Christians must follow the teachings of Christ (a work).

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Great points! I will have to remember them for the next time I get into the works versus faith argument.

[ScratchHatch]

So I just want to make sure I understand correctly. We can know for a surety that the young man who was out trying to encourage people to improve their lives through prayer, scripture study, and developing a relationship with Christ is going to hell and the man who shot him, if he had accepted Christ, is going to heaven. Sounds about right.

[Californiajones]

"All Christian sects teach works as part of salvation. Some require baptism (a work). All require some sort of sinners prayer asking the Lord for forgiveness and accepting Christ as Savior (a work). All teach that saved Christians must follow the teachings of Christ (a work).

Great points! I will have to remember them for the next time I get into the works versus faith argument."

What sects require Baptism when Jesus Himself said to the (unbaptized) thief on the cross "Today you shall be with me in paradise"?

A sinner's prayer is not a "work".

Doing what God tells you to do is a "work" but salvation does not rest upon it.

Remember guys, Paul teaches us to pull down arguments and everything that resists the knowledge of God.

And as for those sad young men on their mission -- I mean no disrespect. If we all knew them personally, then I could see the need for Palladin's name calling of me -- but please. Paul tells us to preach the word in and out of season.