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To: kosta50; Agrarian; Kolokotronis
I would like to add a comment on A's mention of Aristotelian philosophy. If Aristotelian philosophy defines Latin Catholicism, then the soul would not be immortal

How the medieval Schoolmen used Aristotle to explain Christian theology is a complicated question. What they took most from Aristotle was logic and dialectic method. They claimed to use logic to prove the truth of Revelation.

The Scholastics got their Aristotle from Muslim Spain--Greek translated into Arabic translated into Latin. They regrarded the Muslim Averroes as the greatest commentator and interpreter of Aristotle. Whether he understood Aristotle correctly or not, he affirmed an impersonal immortality of the soul.

By the Renaissance the arguments of the mortality or immortality of the soul reached such a pitch, that the Lateran Council of 1512 established the immortality of the soul as a dogma of the Church.

But there is another side to the argument. If your Christianity is informed significantly by considerations of pneumatology and eschatology, then I think you have to go the other way and say that the soul is created mortal and only receives its immortality at the Resurrection of the dead when it is reunited with the body.

8,358 posted on 06/10/2006 4:41:18 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776; Agrarian; Kolokotronis
I think you have to go the other way and say that the soul is created mortal and only receives its immortality at the Resurrection of the dead when it is reunited with the body

Very thought-provoking and informative, thank you.

Cappadocian Fathers held that God created man potentially mortal or immortal. They believe that based on our conviction that man has free will.

We certainly believe that it is only through the grace of God and not by our nature that we can become immortal.

But that takes us into another direction: I think they are talking about our "natural" state of dying or not dying physical death. Your last sentence reflects that view. For we shall be made whole again.

The only thing that remains uncertain is what happens to our free will. Do we lose it and become mindless do-gooders, or do we retain it and run a risk of another Fall? The Creed, after all, does not say we shall live forever, but only that we look forward to the Age to come.

However, one thing is certain, the souls shall live regardless; only the new bodies are to be created; not the souls.

What about a soul without a body? The Orthodox Church teaches that a soul "lives" after physical death, and is even conscious! The fact that it is in an "unnatural" state (i.e. separated from the body) causes it to "feel" discomfort, a feeling further burdened by tghe shame experienced by residual unrepented sins.

A soul, through the prayers of the Church and God's love, is "purified" which also relieves some of the discomfort and shame. The purification is necessary in order for a soul destined to enter the Kingdom of Heaven at the Second Coming because something that is not thoroughly cleansed and pure cannot enter God's House.

Now, don't ask me how do they know all this? I have no clue, but the after-life is a pretty much done deal in Orthodox Christianity and I believe equally in Roman Catholicism.

8,369 posted on 06/10/2006 9:28:41 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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