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To: Kolokotronis
I've read other pieces which claim that the idea that the soul is immortal is a minority view in Orthodoxy

That is news to me too, Kolo. For if a soul dies, what's the point of sending a dead soul to hell, after its body has been resurrected? I believe there is some confusion as to how the word soul and death are treated.

For starters, Genesis 2:7 says that man became a living soul. The word used in LXX is "yuchn" (or "nephesh" in Hebrew or "душа" in Slavonic), all three being derived form the word "breath."

The KJV translates it as "soul" but the newer bibles, NAB, NIV, translate it as "a being."

So, the word soul is really understood to be a human being, and not the Platonic essence separate, or indwelling, in the body. As such, the Orthodox Church teaches that the this man or "soul" was created neither mortal nor immortal in a physical sense.

Yet we are taught without any confusion that, after physical death, the "soul," in this case our anima or essence, continues to exist and feel and even psosess consciousness, and therefore lives — in an unnatural state but lives nontheless without the body (which is completely alien to Aristotelian philosophy).

In the concept of our salvation is the idea that our souls will be reunited with our (new) bodies and the saved shall live in bliss thereafter and that "God's Kingdom shall have no end." [does it now?]

So, as you can see, some of the wording that we are all familiar with seem somewhat "sloppy" in that the "soul" sometimes means a human being, sometimes a breath, soemtimes our essence, or life (anima).

Likewise, death sometimes means physical death (i.e. separation of body and soul, expiration, the last breath), and at other times it referes to the death of our essence, vanishing from existence completely, oblivion.

Obviosuly, the scribes were not always careful (especially those who made copies that we read today as 3rd century "originals," or how else could someone say that Christ's "Kingdom shall have no end" as if it does now?)

Likewise, if we are to assume that the souls of the sinners will simply perish, what will happen to their resurrected bodies? And where exactly will such "people" abide; after all Hell is not a "place" we would agree, yet we are told that at the Second Coming every soul shall be given a body, and those of the unrepentant shall be cast into the eternal fire where there will be "gnashing of the teeth" forever.

Surely, if there will be gnashing of the teeth and eternal torment, there must be "life" in those condemned souls or else torment and gnahsing teeth would be meaningless. The condemned souls must therefore "feel" as much as the saved ones, but in the extreme opposite way, therefore both must be "alive" in order to experience the after-life. So, if all this is true, how can souls then be mortal?

8,293 posted on 06/09/2006 3:03:29 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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8,294 posted on 06/09/2006 3:04:56 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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