Ah FK, more "COE" for you, this time +Ambrose of Milan (you should ike this):
"Although we are baptized with water and the Spirit, the latter is much superior to the former, and is not therefore to be separated from the Father and-the Son. There are, however, many who, because we are baptized with water and the Spirit, think that there is no difference in the offices of water and the Spirit, and therefore think that they do not differ in nature. Nor do they observe that we are buried in the element of water that we may rise again renewed by the Spirit. For in the water is the representation of death, in the Spirit is the pledge of life, that the body of sin may die through the water, which encloses the body as it were in a kind of tomb, that we, by the power of the Spirit, may be renewed from the death of sin, being born again in God"
Typo here. He meant "womb".
"Although we are baptized with water and the Spirit, the latter is much superior to the former, and is not therefore to be separated from the Father and-the Son. There are, however, many who, because we are baptized with water and the Spirit, think that there is no difference in the offices of water and the Spirit, and therefore think that they do not differ in nature. ...
Thanks Kolo, and yes I do like it. :) I really appreciate the distinction Saint Ambrose is making here, even if he and I would not see exactly eye to eye on the whole thing. And, I note once again how the precise wording of this language (along with other quotes you have shared with me) is so "open" in that two people could accept the general principles even if they wouldn't agree on all of the details.