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To: spatso; annalex
We are responsible for our actions. It is God that gives us the power to overcome those actions through His grace. Annalex and I are not very far apart on this matter whereas Pelagius was completely wrong.

Where I would differ with my friend annalex is in saying it is grace only (sola gratia) by which we are saved. That is, only through and by God's total grace do we come to know Him and persevere. We do nothing to cooperate or effect our salvation as much as we would like to think we do.

If you are truly in Christ you will never falter to a point of total rejection simply because Christ will substain you. He is the Shepherd that guard His sheep even from ourselves. For this we praise Him.

7,813 posted on 06/05/2006 4:54:33 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luke 24:45)
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To: HarleyD

"He is the Shepherd that guard His sheep even from ourselves."

Out of curiosity, where is this in scripture?


7,817 posted on 06/05/2006 5:31:21 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: HarleyD; spatso
We do nothing to cooperate or effect our salvation

Of course we do; you yourself mentioned a requirement about getting "approved" through the study of the Scriptures, although so far you have not answered me when I asked how is that different from salvation (by grace, of course) with works (see 7796). The gospels and the epistles are filled with excoriations what to do and how to behave. These are all calls for cooperation with grace.

7,834 posted on 06/05/2006 8:24:08 PM PDT by annalex
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