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To: kosta50; annalex; jo kus; 1000 silverlings
Where does it say in the NT that "sola scriptura" is all you need?

Here is one example:

2 Tim. 3:16-17 : 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Only scripture is mentioned in order to be "thoroughly equipped". That sounds like everything we need to know to me. Here is another:

Rev. 22:18-19 : 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

If scripture is not to be added to or subtracted from, then it must be all we need.

7,479 posted on 05/31/2006 9:09:56 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; jo kus; 1000 silverlings
[on Bible stablishingb necessity of sola scriptura]Here is one example: 2 Tim. 3:16-17 : 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work

Nonsense, sola scriptura means that individual believer's interpretation of the Scripture is the only inerrant way to establish issues of faith and morality. 2 Timothy says nothing about individual interpretation of the Scripture.

There is a good reason for that: first, there was no Bible neatly packaged that people could buy for everyone to read, and second, very few people could read, let alone interpret the Scripture. So, this was clearly not intended for the "general" audience.

One more point: Scripture at the time 2 Tim was written was not canonized. When they talked about the Scripture, the Apostles referred to what we now call the OT or, more correctly, Old Covenant. Given that the Jewish Scripture to this date is not canonized, and that Christian Scripture was at least 300 years from being canonized, and then never became fully and uniformly canonized, there is no such thing as "all Scripture," simply because so many Christians do not even agree what Scripture is.

Here is another: Rev. 22:18-19 : 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them...

St. John is here talking about the book of Revelation specifically.

7,500 posted on 06/01/2006 5:00:53 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; annalex; 1000 silverlings
2 Tim. 3:16-17 : 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

LOL! If I had a dollar for everyone who claimed this proves Sola Scriptura! "Thoroughly equipped" doesn't mean it EXCLUDES anything else! Also, Eph 4:11-13 talks about another way of perfecting the Christian - and the Bible is not even mentioned...

Rev. 22:18-19 : 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

This attempt to use this as a closing for the ENTIRE Scripture corpus is pretty lame, considering John wasn't writing the last book of the Bible when he wrote it! He is referring ONLY to Revelation's prophesies, not other books.

Regards

7,509 posted on 06/01/2006 6:31:44 AM PDT by jo kus (There is nothing colder than a Christian who doesn't care for the salvation of others - St.Crysostom)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; jo kus; 1000 silverlings

As Jo already explained, 2 Tim. 3 merely states that a bishop of the Church will do well to round off his formation as a leader fo the faithful by studying the scripture. The notion that the scripture alone forms a Christian is nowhere to be seen in that statement.

The final passage in the Apocalypse refers most likely to the book of Apocalypse itself; even if read expansively to apply to the entire Christian Canon, it warns against altering the Canon once established by the Church, and who does it remind you of? It certainly does not teach anything about who and how is to interpret the Scripture.


7,561 posted on 06/01/2006 3:54:36 PM PDT by annalex
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