[jo kus]

I would submit the more fundamental beliefs of Augustine establishes the basic foundations for the Reformation (e.g. views on man's free will, election, predestination, etc.). His other views such as infant baptism, the Eucharist, Mary, etc are secondary views.

That's not surprising that you consider your own personal views the center of the world. We all do, in a manner of speaking. But just because you consider man's free will and predestination as fundamental doesn't mean that St. Augustine did in his writings... He wrote a lot about them because the Pelagians were persistent. He also wrote a lot to the Donatists and the Manichaeans about entirely different subjects.

"Command what you will, and give what you command"-Augustine

I don't have a problem with that prayer. I thought we already established that Catholics believe that God gives us every good gift. You would better understand the context of our (FK) discussions regarding "fairness" if you read our posts. St. Augustine himself would never agree that God commands what man cannot do! I have already quoted you a number of times he mentions this. God does NOT command men to do things that man cannot do.

Regards

[HarleyD]

God does NOT command men to do things that man cannot do.

Exo 7:2-3 "You shall speak all that I command you, and your brother Aaron shall speak to Pharaoh that he let the sons of Israel go out of his land. But I will harden Pharaoh's heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt."

Mat 14:28-29 Peter said to Him, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water." And He said, "Come!" And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus.

Didn't someone tell me the exception proves the rule? ;O)