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To: D-fendr

It does. Why pray to anyone except Jesus Christ?

Praying to a dead person is not intercessory prayer.


5,863 posted on 05/07/2006 8:44:55 PM PDT by Full Court (www.justbible.com)
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To: Full Court

Maybe our confusion here is based on the use of the word "pray."

I use it, as it is also used in scripture, to mean "ask."

So if I say, "I pray you, Full Court, ask God to help me, a poor sinner," I'm asking for you to pray to God on my behalf.

This is intercessory prayer.

So we can see how confusion would occur, I'm praying to you.

A parallel with saints would be Hail Mary in the line "pray for us sinners.."

So in both cases I'm praying, asking, for someone to pray for me. And if intercessory prayer is ok for you (correct me if I'm wrong), this should clear that part up.

Which still leaves what I pointed to earlier about the Communion of Saints. I think we must still have some difference of belief about the saints in heaven. Which is why I ask again: Do you believe the saints in heaven are part of the Body of Christ?

I think maybe in this aspect we'll find where our true difference in belief lie.

thanks for your reply..


5,868 posted on 05/07/2006 10:37:43 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Full Court

Below is the beginning of the Litany of the Saints. This is the ultimate "prayer to the saints" so it can well serve as an example. I think you will see in its form the point in my previous post to you.


Lord, have mercy on us. Lord, have mercy on us.
Christ, have mercy on us. Christ, have mercy on us.
Lord, have mercy on us.Lord, have mercy on us.
Christ, hear us. Christ, graciously hear us.
God, the Father of heaven, have mercy on us.
God the Son, Redeemer of the world, have mercy on us.
God the Holy Spirit, have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, one God, have mercy on us.

Holy Mary, pray for us.
Holy Mother of God, pray for us.
Holy Virgin of virgins, pray for us.
St. Michael, pray for us.
St. Gabriel, pray for us.
St. Raphael, pray for us.
All you Holy Angels and Archangels, pray for us.
St. John the Baptist, pray for us.
St. Joseph, pray for us.
St. Peter, pray for us.
St. Paul, pray for us.
St. Andrew, pray for us.
St. James, pray for us.
St. John, pray for us.
St. Thomas, pray for us.…


5,869 posted on 05/07/2006 10:49:37 PM PDT by D-fendr
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