Posted on 05/30/2005 5:02:02 PM PDT by sionnsar
If Rowan Williams is behind this – and he is – I seriously doubt any reasonable hope remains of keeping the Anglican Communion together save the Queen asking him to step down, which I don’t expect.
Up to now, the Global South clergy could say the embrace of homosexuality in the Anglican Communion was confined mainly to errant North American dioceses. And they declared communion with those dioceses broken or impaired.
But what are they to do now? Rowan Williams has put them in a position where they will see little choice but to disassociate themselves from the Archbishop of Canterbury and therefore from the Anglican Communion. Otherwise, Global South clergy will no longer have any credible answer to those in their dioceses who say they are aligned with sin.
Even putting aside the morals of this matter, this is an incredibly stupid move by the Archbishop. But if there is to be a split in the Anglican Communion, at least this will speed it along.
There hasn’t been a lot of fallout yet, but it’s coming. Oh, it’s coming.
By the way, for what it’s worth, except for ++Peter Carnley, the Panel of Reference STILL has not been named. We see where ++Rowan’s priorities lie.
Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams. It's amazing, like watching a car wreck in slow motion.
Train wreck is the analogy I've been using... but you are right.
<< Train wreck is the analogy I've been using... but you are right. >>
I'm pretty cool with a wreck analogy but I'm an Aviator and have in mind one of those old B-707s that NASA remote-controlled crashed years ago, crossed with the scAir FRance Concorde fiasco.
A combination, that is, of deliberate sabotage and insidiously-bumbling, feckless, ineptitude whose consequences include burning like Hell!
Rome's arms are always wiiiide open :)
All the while, satan fiddling and enjoying the show....
<< All the while, Satan fiddling and enjoying the show .... >>
No doubt about that.
Sodom and Gomorrah?
By comparison with what's to come -- naught 'but' Boy Scout outings.
We ain't seen nuttin' yet!
*** have in mind one of those old B-707s that NASA remote-controlled crashed years ago,***
I get more the image of homosexual "terrorists" flying their craft into the tower of Westminster Abbey.
This is true.
<< I get more the image of homosexual "terrorists" flying their craft into the tower of Westminster Abbey. >>
With the execrable Tony Blair, whose "man," [Girlyman?] after all, is the current apostate-occupant of the office of Archbishop of Canterbury, in the jump seat, hideously-grinning and his little gun stuck in the "pilot's" ear!
The survivors are going to go in several different directions, depending on what part of the Anglican Communion they hail from.
A lot of us have already swum the Tiber . . . the logical destination for the "high church" crowd, especially since HH Benedict XVI has been so welcoming. The "low churchers" will probably wind up PCA Presbyterian or possibly LCMS Lutheran, depending on their precise personal theology. I don't see too many going to the fundamentalist/evangelical churches -- too many theological differences. Where there's enough critical mass to join APCK or one of the other breakaway Episcopal groups, some will form, but they will be dependent on some authority organizing out of Africa or the Southern Cone to provide pastoral leadership/care. The breakaway churches here (except one which just formed and placed itself under the jurisdiction of the bishop of Bolivia) just don't have bishops (which shocked me very much!)
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Kiss the Anglican Communion good-bye, AnAmericanMother wrote:
It's looking more and more like a crackup is inevitable.
The survivors are going to go in several different directions, depending on what part of the Anglican Communion they hail from.
A lot of us have already swum the Tiber . . . the logical destination for the "high church" crowd, especially since HH Benedict XVI has been so welcoming. The "low churchers" will probably wind up PCA Presbyterian or possibly LCMS Lutheran, depending on their precise personal theology."
Yes... I went LCMS. But I did not leave the Anglican Church. The Anglican Church left ME!
But I will note that most of the Continuing churches are more catholic and NOT under the Global South -- particularly the APCK, I will note! There seems to be a shift towards Rome now, with the TAC certainly leading the way.
But I will also note that there are Anglicans going Orthodox as well, as noted recently here, for example.
Dear AAM: We in APCK have our own Apostolic pastoral care, quite canonically consecrated and fully capable of providing every specie of pastoral and sacramental care for our parishioners. We look to the Southern Cone to have the good sense to observe our orthodoxy and ackowledge it.
Of course, to the extent that Southern Cone and African communions also allow the ordination of women, we could not consider them adequately orthodox.
In Christ,
Deacon Paul+
Reserving the right to be impertinent, and with ill will toward none, may I ask: Why is Rome, Canterbury, Luthernaism, or Presbyterianism considered to be the gold standard of orthodoxy? Peter wrote: "you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY." (I Peter 2:9-10) So why is there need for any intercessory priesthood between God and His children?
As it turns out, that church has now abandoned the Prayer Book and the liturgy and is basically a preach-and-praise evangelical mega-church.
Around here, the individual parishes are sort of wandering in the wilderness wondering what to do. It's tough.
Sounds like they were already underway to that end. Having seen a church departure situation from not so far away, one of the things that was important (to that church) right off the bat was not just what they were departing from, but where they were going to go.
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