So.........it was over a property dispute, which showed Burke to be a feckless fool. This was not over a matter od doctrine - nor even of church disciline (although you, Burke, and other are using that very tired excuse to justify Burke's illicit interdict).
By a similar line of reasoning - such as what Burke wrote - a local Bishop may place under interdict traditionalist Catholics......be it over property, doctrine, liturgics or whatever.
Memory recalls excatly the above described scenario when the local ordinary in Alabama threatened Mother Angelica and her order & ministry over liturgical matter. It matters little that Mother was correct in what she was doing......in hte current ultra-obendient mode of thinking: "it's my Bishop - right or wrong"!!!!
Similar was threatened by Cardinal Mahoney - after his heretical writings on the mass were righteously criticized by Mother Angelica, with allegations of possible heresy, he could - and would - have used his power to get her silenced, with the generous cooperation of her Ordinary.
Of course, you and those with a similar view......that absolute, total, and mindless obedience is demanded of Catholics.......will continue upon your merry way.
But what happens when its YOUR parish which is in jeopardy of being closed/merged.....its assets seized by your Bishop. Will you still sing the same song?
Or will you rejoice in this, as a sign of your obendience? Better yet......will you stick the IV needle of electronic funds transfer from your bank account to the local pastor.........so you can remain mindless and numb as priest and bishop alike continue to bleed you dry.....spiritually & financially?
Have fun!
It was more than a property dispute about which the board members chose to engage in rebellion and incite others to the same rebellion and disobedience. Sufficient information has been made available, both to the issue of the dispute and to the issue of obedience. Those who state that the matter is not a doctrinal one are correct - up to a point. Those, such as yourself, who state that the issue is not a disciplinary one, are incorrect, and seem to be relying on personal opinion rather than the laws of the Church. Whether this reliance on one's one personal opinion is due to ignorance or a deep seated disdain for Church authority, I cannot tell. We can rest assured, however, that a continued reliance and decision of the matter based on one's own personal opinion to the exclusion of the truth and rights of the Church and the hierarchy to make judgments in these matters, basically makes one a protestant (lowercase "p" - it is not intended as a derogatory statement of Protestants - capital "P")
I have no horse in this race. I have provided information so that others may come to see the truth in the matter and avoid making "rash judgments", engaging in "calumny" against Archbishop Burke, or repeating "lies" or distortions of the truth - all of which are, objectively, grave violations of the 8th Commandment. Furthermore, information has been provided, explaining the necessity of obedience in lawful ecclesiastical matters. This has particular relevance in keeping the 4th Commandment.
By a similar line of reasoning - such as what Burke wrote - a local Bishop may place under interdict traditionalist Catholics......be it over property, doctrine, liturgics or whatever.
A bishop, as a successor of the Apostles, does, indeed, possess a tremendous amount of power for governing the flock. In addition, he bears even greater responsibilities to his flock. It is Christ, Himself, who gave this power to the Church and to the leaders of the Church. The bishop, indeed, has power over the temporal goods of a diocese, over liturgy and doctrine-to the extent granted by the Church, but not over "whatever." This is a "red herring", an attempt to divert attention away from the crux of an argument by the introduction of an irrelevant detail or supposition.
The process for placing one under the penalty of interdict requires certain steps be taken. It does not happen arbitrarily, contrary to certain individuals' opinions.
Memory recalls excatly the above described scenario when the local ordinary in Alabama threatened Mother Angelica and her order & ministry over liturgical matter. It matters little that Mother was correct in what she was doing......in hte current ultra-obendient mode of thinking: "it's my Bishop - right or wrong"!!!!
Again, this is an irrelevant issue, entirely...except to say that, Mother Angelica "obeyed" her bishop.
Similar was threatened by Cardinal Mahoney - after his heretical writings on the mass were righteously criticized by Mother Angelica, with allegations of possible heresy, he could - and would - have used his power to get her silenced, with the generous cooperation of her Ordinary.
Again, irrelevant. And she was not silenced. Had she been so, such a penalty or decision may have been worthy of an appeal to the Holy See.
Of course, you and those with a similar view......that absolute, total, and mindless obedience is demanded of Catholics.......will continue upon your merry way.
Hopefully, "on my merry way" to eternal beatitude! One wonders where St Pio would be mow, if he had followed your advice and disobeyed his superiors, even granting that his silencing may have been inappropriate or illicit? One must wonder what would have happened had St. Thomas More and St. John Fischer, disobeyed Christ and the Church, and for the convenience of saving their lives joined with Henry? Obedience is impossible for those who reject the graces of humility. Christ, whom we should follow, provided the utmost example of what we are to do - He was obedient unto death. True and proper obedience is not mindless. One's intellect, after having been enlightened with the truth, is to conform one's will to that of Christ.
But what happens when its YOUR parish which is in jeopardy of being closed/merged.....its assets seized by your Bishop. Will you still sing the same song? Or will you rejoice in this, as a sign of your obendience? Better yet......will you stick the IV needle of electronic funds transfer from your bank account to the local pastor.........so you can remain mindless and numb as priest and bishop alike continue to bleed you dry.....spiritually & financially?
For me? I will obey the lawful commands of the spiritual shepherd whom Christ has appointed. Why, because, by the grace of God, I am a Catholic and I have Faith, Hope, and Charity - And I want to follow and obey our Lord so that I might get to heaven!