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To: Tantumergo; Grey Ghost II; bornacatholic; saradippity; CouncilofTrent; Maximilian; gbcdoj; ...
"John Paul II has explicitly taught that Jews are "the people of God of the Old Covenant, never revoked by God,"2 "the present-day people of the covenant concluded with Moses,"3 and "partners in a covenant of eternal love which was never revoked."

Thanks. I've always respected your opinions and knowlege so I was very interested in what specifically you think was heretical.

Quite apart from 2,000 years of Magisterial teaching that the New Covenant did truly fulfil, replace and supercede the Old Covenant, we have the following clear testimony of Holy Scripture:

In a nutshell, the offending idea is "God never revoked the Old Covenant."

It may be of interest that the Catechism,( 1965-1974 ), and I would recommend a careful reading that instantly rewards ( read the scripture references as well), does not say that the Old Covenant has been replaced. In fact, 1968 says that "....far from abolishing or devalueing the moral prescriptions of the Old Law...."

But maybe I'm off target. Are the terms Old Covenant and Old Law interchangeable?

My sense is that because the Church has always valued the Decalogue of the Old Covenant, the pope must be talking about another aspect of the covenant that he is mistaken about.

284 posted on 11/14/2004 10:51:27 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck

"It may be of interest that the Catechism,( 1965-1974 ), and I would recommend a careful reading that instantly rewards ( read the scripture references as well), does not say that the Old Covenant has been replaced. In fact, 1968 says that "....far from abolishing or devalueing the moral prescriptions of the Old Law...."

But maybe I'm off target. Are the terms Old Covenant and Old Law interchangeable?

My sense is that because the Church has always valued the Decalogue of the Old Covenant, the pope must be talking about another aspect of the covenant that he is mistaken about."

There is much more behind what you have said, that I don't have time to go into now - but I think you are on the right lines. "Covenant" and "Law" are not strictly interchangeable, but are often used in interchangeable senses - particularly by scholars who have a modernist axe to grind.

Personally, I think he was set up on this issue by those who know how to exploit the VII timebombs (so dear to the heart of Schillebeeckx). What I would dearly love to know is who wrote those speeches that are cited in ROCM!!! - will try to get back with more detail later.


286 posted on 11/15/2004 3:42:15 AM PST by Tantumergo
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