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To: Avenger; Quix

I was looking for something I had saved regarding the Nicene Council. Couldn't find it, but came across the following. This is but one source of information exposing the politics behind the Nicene Creed. It is amazing to think that everyone blindly accepts something that an ancient group of men contrived for their own political agenda. And it's probably because the church had us repeat the creed over and over and over again. Nevermind a trinity isn't in the bible. Nevermind that Jesus was a Jew. Nevermind the importance of the Shema to every practicing Jew.

http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/51d.htm


917 posted on 12/07/2004 11:41:06 PM PST by 1 spark ("Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord,")
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To: Quix; topcat54; Avenger; Alex Murphy
Hmmm, maybe we are wrong on this. This looks like a reputable source:


918 posted on 12/08/2004 3:36:05 AM PST by Gamecock (Threads started by Gamecock on FR do not necessarily represent the views of the GRPL)
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To: 1 spark

There is a LOT of blindness.

"everyone blindly accepts"

is inaccurate.

More than 2-3 people together longer than a few hours or a few meetings or a year and a half . . . and politics become burdensome; distort reality; cultivate blinding biases; bureaucratize 'truth;' etc.

Nevertheless, I find most of your contentions to be gross distortions of reality; inaccurate to Scripture and contrary to my experiences of God.


919 posted on 12/08/2004 4:23:55 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: 1 spark
The author of your article states:

"To resolve the dispute, a creed was proposed which favoured Athanasius and condemned Arius. Although most of the bishops present were not Arian, many of them were equally opposed to the wording of part of the creed which defined the nature of Jesus as of "one substance" with the Father. Over sixteen centuries later, the theologians of the Eastern Orthodox churches and the Western Churches, of Roman origin, are still divided over this issue."

I'm not an EO expert, but I do not believe this is factually true. I think the author is confusing the doctine of "one substance" from Nicea with the filioque. Eastern and Western churches are in agreement on the doctrine of Christ being "of one substance" with the Father.

920 posted on 12/08/2004 7:44:36 AM PST by topcat54
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