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To: Piers-the-Ploughman
SSPX priests do serve people; they do not flee from battle with the world. Your analogy is unfair that way.

You let the modernists, the real modernists, chase you out of the Churches. You let a few in your ranks speak of John-Paul as apostate, and let others in the ranks say the Novus Ordo is not a Mass at all. All this plans into the hands of these people to marginalize Traditionalism.

JP II has asked for a wide and generous application of TLM; SSPX is providing it as best they can.

SSPX Priests are incapable of providing LICIT Masses. They have no Incardination, and hence are irregular at best.

Surely one is allowed to distinguish between a priest who is 98% faithful and one is 50% faithful to Catholic teachings

We should always oppose errors wherever we find it. I sat in my Baptism class, and argued with a Parish Priest about Limbo and Purgatory. We went around and I took the heat. I didn't walk out glaring and ran off to the SSPX Chapel.

If you are here, you have the tools to oppose modernists in the Catholic Parishes. I firmly believe 5% of the people do 90% of the work, and the people here are part of the 5%. You can't do anything from the outside, while in the SSPX. If you read anything I posted here, it is clear I don't think the Latin Mass is wrong. I think claiming the Novus Ordo has fatal defects or is deficient is saying that it is not valid. I think those who left the Church for SSPX have no role in Catholic Parishes because the CHurch has valid documents from the See putting people attached to the organization out. I urge them to return and fight the good fight with the rest of us in the Church.
318 posted on 07/16/2004 3:48:36 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick
You wrote: You let the modernists, the real modernists, chase you out of the Churches.

As I have posted before, I am strictly NO, and have an orthodox NO priest. I doubt seriously I would avail myself of SSPX were it available. I don't even go to indult in my area. There are lots of bad judgments coming out of bishops and Vatican, we all agree. Some of them may be for reasons of blackmail. Seeing what orthodoxy prevails in sspx as opposed to most dioceses, I can't see why pope would really be against them. I believe sspx is among the Faith's strongest proponents and pope's best allies, though if he were to acknowledge this publicly,
Mahoney & Co would revolt and possibly consecrate bishops. Thus, Vatican has to pretend about their status. Before God we all stand, and to the best of my knowledge, admittedly limited, I can not condemn them for offering TLM and orthodox teaching for others, sorry and for reason above, I can not believe Vatican really condemns them. In fact, I am encouraged by their successes as I am those of orthodox NO bishops, say as in Richmond VA.



Vatican II was supposed to be an opening up, a toleration of different viewpoints and opinions where there are non-essentials, as opposed to the legalisms of the past. For the most part, those opposed to sspx here cite the letter of law constantly instead of looking at the big picture: the Faith needs to be preached and souls need to be saved--that's the bottom line, and I believe Our Lord doesn't mind sspx doing this if many NO bishops won't. In the spirit of V2, they should be allowed to freely operate, especially given the enormous predicament we are in. The Spirit of V2 opposes harsh canonical penalties meted out.

In theory, we oppose all errors. Then there is the pastoral and practical aspect to living. Some errors are worse then others, there are venial and mortal sins.

You said we "can't do anything from the outside." yet most acknowledge including Wanderer that indult would never be here without sspx. No one knows what would have happened had lefevbre did not do what he did. It's hard to believe though that sspx presence has not prodded restoration at least a little bit.

For their part sspx needs to accentuate the Faith positively and speak quietly but strongly about their reasons and not cast aspersions on NO properly celebrated.
It's not just about the mass, it's about seminary, sexual morality, false ecumenism etc. they need to be very very judicious when saying anything about Pope. If it had just been about the mass, I don't think they'd be paid as much attention. But it has all seemed to go hand-in-hand, hasn't it?

So peace to you, Dominick, and know I am on the "inside" fighting for our faith.
324 posted on 07/16/2004 5:20:22 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman
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