That's not a defect of the Novus Ordo. 
Posted on 07/15/2004 6:17:56 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
So you say.
No, because at worst it's inavlid at best it less pleasing to God.
And please don't tell me that God is equally pleased with girls dressed like Britany Spears chewing gum and receiving Communion in the hand than he is with people who took the time to dress appropriately and prepare adequately for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Holy Communion.
...and so does Mahoney and Kasper.
What's wrong with communion in the hand?
All the solitaries in the desert, where there is no priest, take the communion themselves, keeping communion at home. And at Alexandria and in Egypt, each one of the laity, for the most part, keeps the communion, at his own house, and participates in it when he likes. For when once the priest has completed the offering, and given it, the recipient, participating in it each time as entire, is bound to believe that he properly takes and receives it from the giver. And even in the church, when the priest gives the portion, the recipient takes it with complete power over it, and so lifts it to his lips with his own hand. (St. Basil of Caesarea, Epistle 93)
And please don't tell me that God is equally pleased with girls dressed like Britany Spears chewing gum ... than he is with people who took the time to dress appropriately and prepare adequately for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Holy Communion.
That's confusing the issue. Persons who dress inappropriately can show up at a Tridentine too. You're confusing the rite with the people who come to it.
The question is quite simple: at a Novus Ordo, celebrated reverently according to the rubrics, is Christ offered as a propitiatory sacrifice to the Father? And when a communicant receives Communion at a Novus Ordo service, does he receive Christ both spiritually and sacramentally? Those who say that the Novus Ordo has no efficacy but only validity must say: no, Christ is not so offered as a sacrifice at a Novus Ordo Mass and no, Christ is received only sacramentally, but no grace is given and therefore He is not received spiritually.
Yours is the wisdom with which God has armored mothers. Thank you.
It's a sacrilege and meant to intentionally diminish belief in the Real Presence.
You're confusing the rite with the people who come to it.
No, different rites attract different people. Give me one example of a clown Tridentine Mass or a Gay Tridentine Mass.
The priest no longer gives it to the majority of recipients in Amchurch Novus Ordo Masses. The likes of a divorced, Miss Penelope Polyesterslacks, an EEM, along with 17 others (I counted them myself at the last NO Mass I suffered) does the honors.
By the way, the "celebrating" priest only gave Holy Communion to the EEM's. He then sat down and sang the Communion folk ditty and watched his elves do their jobs.
I think you might want to change your tagline. Torqemada urged Catholics to resist any pope who would dare oppose Tradition--especially the Mass.
But what's not debatable is the implicit insult of ignoring the Sacrifice of Christ offered to the Father by focusing primarily on ourselves. The Novus Ordo "presider" no longer even calls himself a priest; nor is he much interested in the sacrifice. It's all about us. THAT'S what makes it so offensive to Heaven.
That's absurd. All priests who celebrate the Novus Ordo disavow the name of priest? All of them are disinterested in the sacrificial nature of the Mass? The actual texts don't bear this out, of course - they are not focused on men instead of Christ!
What's with the "presider" business in the first place? Why is the presider's chair in the central place of honor instead of the tabernacle? Why all the excitement at handshake-time? Why has the sacrificial altar been traded-in for a table? Why has a prayer-before-mealtime been substituted for the Offertory which had offered a "spotless Victim" to the Father? Inquiring minds want to know.
No not all, but many do.
That's not a defect of the Novus Ordo.
Old Man Schism,
That Old Man Schism,
He mus' know sumpin',
And won't say nothin',
He jes keeps rollin',
He keeps on rollin along.
You and me,
We sweat and strain,
Body all acin'
And racked with pain,
"Obey that Pope!"
"Accept his word!"
A little out of line,
And we land in Helll.........
I gets weary,
An' sick of tryin'
An' tired of livin',
An' scared of dyin,'
But Old Man Schism,
He Jes keeps rollin' along!
St. Sebastian's Angels
The disgraced ex-Archbishop, "Reggie the Queer" of Capetown, South Africa, has recently been assigned his new parish. A Novus Ordo queer wolf has once again been set loose upon unsuspecting Catholic sheep. Who set the wolf loose? Rome.
Did God send you a note telling you so?
Please post a cc on the FR boards.
Otherwise, your statement is not only ridiculous on its face, but likely heretical.
That wouldn't be the Church of St Agnes in St Paul would it?
God doesn't have to; it's obvious to all and ignored by many, if not most.
Nope, LotI, if GG's going to definitively state that 'God doesn't like [the NO] as much,' then GG should be kind enough to tell us exactly how GG knows that.
Since GG has assumed the position of Isaiah, he could at least have some burned lips, or whatever.
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