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Peter’s Tomb Recently Discovered In Jerusalem
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/peters-jerusalem-tomb.htm ^ | 1953 | F. PAUL PETERSON

Posted on 04/21/2004 9:20:29 AM PDT by flevit

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To: flevit
Christos Voskrese!

1953. The article is copyrighted 1960. If it didn't sell the first time around, 40-50 years ago, what is different to make it sell today?

61 posted on 04/21/2004 3:09:24 PM PDT by TotusTuus (Voistinu Voskrese!)
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To: eastsider
I notice this came courtesy of "Hawaii Online" (interesting source). Will we next hear about how the Knights Templars took the bones of Jesus to France and then to Scotland and how Pope Pius XII singlehandedly founded the National Socialist movement? How about the tunnel connecting the papal apartments in St. Peter's Square with the White House basement???

It wouldn't be that surprising if there isn't some wacky anti-Christian group in a lab doctoring up a first-century male skeleton with Roman nails right now...

62 posted on 04/21/2004 3:16:13 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Wait just a minute, mister! Are you implying that Mary Magdalene didn't really retire to the French Riviera with Jesus, Jr.? ...
63 posted on 04/21/2004 3:31:31 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
And, as good Cathars, they have a ski vacation home in Switzerland, right?
64 posted on 04/21/2004 3:42:25 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ventana
good point, but most of those with Yeshua have other names,

again, I am more interested in this find for its apolgetic purposes (so many names in the new testiment and rather objective dating of the tombs) rather than an attack on catholism, I realize the first link I posted is arguementative, but hell, I figured I would get some good info to the contrary.

(for the sake of arguement) any way we are told in scripture that peter was the apostle to the "circumsized"
65 posted on 04/21/2004 3:59:46 PM PDT by flevit
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To: Campion
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the question of where Peter was buried.

True, but since when does it matter if we stay on track around here?

66 posted on 04/21/2004 4:08:14 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: NWU Army ROTC
To Arms!!! Defenders of the Faith Ping List!!

I'm sorry, but we Calvinists are busy elsewhere. Maybe we can squeeze you in on Friday.

67 posted on 04/21/2004 4:10:19 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: flevit
any way we are told in scripture that peter was the apostle to the "circumsized"

That verse is endlessly misunderstood. It doesn't mean that Peter preached one Gospel and Paul preached another. (There's only one Gospel.) It doesn't mean that Peter somehow had authority only over Jewish converts. (All the apostles had divinely instituted authority over the one Church of Christ.)

All it means is that Paul primarily preached to the Gentiles, because he spoke fluent Greek, and Peter mainly preached to Jewish crowds, because his Greek was not as good. A strategic decision, not a theological one.

68 posted on 04/21/2004 4:11:29 PM PDT by Campion
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Sorry, I've been out.

There some realy interesting fake artifacts out there. This one is pretty good. Ridiculous, but good.
69 posted on 04/21/2004 4:27:28 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
artifacts are authentic, the "meaning" or "significance" of "simon bar yonah" on an ossuary is the big????

another less controvercial ossuary is of "Alexander, son of Simon of Cyrene"
70 posted on 04/21/2004 4:31:08 PM PDT by flevit
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To: flevit
http://www.livius.org/caa-can/caiaphas/caiaphas.htm
71 posted on 04/21/2004 4:36:36 PM PDT by flevit
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To: flevit
Below is another article with a slightly different view. Apparently there is much controversy over whether Peter's bones are actually buried in the Vatican.

I had to asked myself, "If such a valuable "Pope" such as Peter was always buried in the Vatican, why did it take until 1950 to find him?" I didn't know that he was lost.

Perhaps your box is correct but I remain skeptical.

What Happened this Day in Church History

December 23, 1950 • Pope Pius XII Announced Discovery of Peter's Tomb

On this day, December 23, 1950, Pope Pius XII declared in a radio broadcast that St. Peter's tomb had been found several feet below the altar of St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican in Rome.

"The tomb of the Prince of the Apostles has been found," said Pius. "Such is the final conclusion after all the labor and study of these years. A second question, subordinate to the first, refers to the relics of Saint Peter. Have they been found? At the side of the tomb remains of human bones have been discovered. However, it is impossible to prove with certainty that they belong to the apostle."

For ten years, Monsignor Ludwig Kaas, the administrator of St. Peter's, oversaw the dig which was conducted by two Jesuit archaeologists and their colleagues. Kaas did not sympathize with the methods archaeologists use. He felt it was wrong for them to treat human bones like scientific evidence. Secretly, he examined the digs each night after the workmen left and collected all bones that he found. He stored these in boxes off the site, making no scientific record of where the bones had been found or their placement. The procedure diverged drastically from accepted archaeological method.

The pope's claim was guarded because bones originally identified as belonging to a sixty-year-old man and thought to belong to the Apostle Peter turned out to include those of a young man, some animals and a bone from an elderly woman.

Other questions were not satisfactorily answered. The early church historian Eusebius, writing at the time when Emperor Constantine ordered the original St. Peter's built, mentioned a monument with an inscription. No such monument was found. The only inscription which ever came to light, appeared mysteriously in an adjacent vault. This was on a flake of stone and supposedly came from a graffiti-covered wall unearthed below the basilica. Writing on the small flake was interpreted to mean "Peter is in here;" however it could not be matched to the wall.

A widely distributed photograph of the bones turned out to be a fake: the bones had been removed from a pile and were later brought back to the scene and arranged for the photo. Atheists made much of these discrepancies.

Eighteen years after Pius XII's original announcement, Pope Paul VI announced that the actual bones of Peter had been identified. Three of the original archaeologists protested the pope's claim which came about because Margherita Guarducci, studying graffiti on the wall, accidentally learned of the boxes of bones Kaas had taken off-site. Kaas was dead. One of the workmen, however, remembered that Kaas had ordered a new-found crypt opened and its contents removed so that the archaeologists could not "desecrate" the bones. The workman led Margherita to the box. The bones proved to be that of an elderly man. According to the Vatican, carbon dating confirmed they dated to Peter's era.

However, questions remained. Tests showed that the soil on the bones did not match the soil of the crypt where they were supposed to have been found. A spokesman for the Vatican later admitted the church was in an "insecure position" regarding identification of the bones.

Few archaeological finds corroborate the existence of individuals mentioned in the New Testament. Biblical Archaeology Review enumerated these in its November-December 2002 issue. Significantly, Peter's bones were not mentioned. In archaeological circles, the identification is considered completely unsatisfactory. But Catholic apologists reminded the faithful that the Christian faith rests not on archaeological remains but on a risen, living Christ.

Sources:

1. Allen, John L., jr. "The Bones of St. Peter." Catholic Digest. (www.catholicdigest.org/stories/200105052a.html)

2. Feldman, Steven and Roth, Nancy E. "The Short List: The New Testament Figures Known to History." Biblical Archaeology Review. (November/December 2002).

3. Hijmans, Dr. Steven. "In Search of Peter's Tomb." (www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/expressnews/articles/ ideas.cfm?p_ID=794&s=a)

4. Zindler, Frank R. "Of Bones and Boners; St. Peter at the Vatican." American Atheists.

(www.atheists.org/church/bones.html) [This article is cited because it demonstrates the sport made of the claims].

Ref: http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/DAILYF/2002/12/daily-12-23-2002.shtml

72 posted on 04/21/2004 4:40:21 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: billbears
The New Testament consists of occasional writings of the first Christians, so much of what they say which was crystal clear to the people of that time, or at least to many, is not at all clear to us. We do not know who wrote many of these books, when they were written or where, or how they have come down to us.
73 posted on 04/21/2004 4:42:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: flevit
And the Circumsized were all over the Empire. Africa were not only ordinally colonized by Semites but has a more recent Jewish immigration.
74 posted on 04/21/2004 4:52:35 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: Gamecock
ROTFLMAO. That is the wittiest post I have ever read on Freepers. You have my hearty applause.
75 posted on 04/21/2004 5:28:47 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: flevit
Folks, I could care less where Peter and Paul were martyred.
Peter being crucified in Rome does not mean Peter was a Pope or founded the Catholic Church. None of us were alive when any of this took place. We did not see any of it. Let's face it, anyone can make any discovery they have look like it proves whatever they want it to prove. Just because I walk in to a Hanes Hosiery plant and die there does not mean I am a pair of socks or underwear or a Hanes Hosiery employee.

The only thing any of any of us need to know is that Jesus Christ died and rose again so that you and I could be in Heaven with him. We are saved by grace through faith plus nothing else. WHOSO EVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED!!!!! Saying any number of Hail Mary's is not going to save your soul. The Pope is not going to save your soul. In fact, there is nothing anyone can do to grant any of us salvation, that is gift only Jesus Himself can give. The gift of salvation is given to who so ever will accept the free gift. Only Jesus Christ can give any of us the FREE gift of salvation. Jesus is the only one who died for us. I am thankful that Jesus removed the wall between us and God the Father that we can boldly approach the throne of Grace and personally ask of the Father whatever it is we have need.
76 posted on 04/21/2004 5:39:37 PM PDT by ChevyZ28 (Most of us would rather be ruined by praise, than saved by criticism.)
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To: HarleyD
4. Zindler, Frank R. "Of Bones and Boners; St. Peter at the Vatican." American Atheists.

And this looks like a reputable source to you?

77 posted on 04/21/2004 5:52:48 PM PDT by jude24
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To: ChevyZ28
Saying any number of Hail Mary's is not going to save your soul. The Pope is not going to save your soul. In fact, there is nothing anyone can do to grant any of us salvation, that is gift only Jesus Himself can give. The gift of salvation is given to who so ever will accept the free gift.

You don't know how confused this is or what ignorance it shows of the Catholic faith. The gift of salvation is given to who so ever will accept the free gift. But HOW does it come about? It won't necessarily come as it did to Paul, through a personal encounter with the Lord. More often it will come through the instrumentality of another human being, as it did to the Ethiopian. It may even come through saying the Rosary for someone whose heart is seeking the Lord. Or it may come as it came to Augustine when the the sound of children at play calling to one another, Pick it up, pick it up, caused the saint to pick and read the copy of Romans by his side. God works through his creation, which is why He became incarnate.

78 posted on 04/21/2004 6:10:21 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: gbcdoj
Good early quotations supporting St. Peter's presence in Rome...there's also I Peter 5.13, "the chosen one at Babylon," which is supposed to be code for "the church at Rome." Whether St. Peter himself wrote this letter is disputed, but even if he didn't, it must date from near his lifetime and show that he was already believed to have been in Rome.
79 posted on 04/21/2004 6:18:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: jude24
Hey! I remember Frank Zindler! He was a genuine crackpot of the first order. His "research" never amounted to more than anti-religion propaganda.
80 posted on 04/21/2004 6:18:37 PM PDT by Cincinnatus
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