Posted on 10/07/2003 5:34:25 AM PDT by Sabertooth
Just catching up on posts made since I went to bed last night.
I just have to say "I told you so!" about Lowe.
I posted several times, over the last few weeks, that I thought he had made some changes in his life from his younger days. He is a very strong supporter of President Bush and particularily our troops in the War on Terror.
I am so pleased to see he said this. I was hoping my perception was right.
...my point is that if one's action give victory to the enemy...
I understand your point, you misunderstand mine.
There are many ways for my "enemy" to gain advantage over me. Some are overt and some are more covert. There is the overt means of having an absolute 180 degree bassackwards ideologue (like Hitlery or Bustabutt) in power over me. There is also the covert means of continually giving me "the lesser of two evils." Over the years, as the bar lowers with each "lesser", I have to accept less and less. Somewhere, I either stand up for my beliefs or I never get the opportunity to vote for them again.
Conservatives should take great notice of this election. The Republican party decided to swing left to "win" this election. Those who thought we stood for something bigger than that, were apparently wrong.
The absolutely outrageous thing in this election is that there was a choice who wasn't the lesser of two evils but a near carbon copy of what we claim to want here on FR. However, we on FR chose to be pragmatic and turn our backs on "our" candidate out of fear of the bogeyman. Does anyone here feel they were led around by the nose by the media we so hate? THEY chose Arnold. THEY declared Tom unelectable. THEY gave all of the election oxygen to Mr Schwarzenkennedy. Those of you who said they would only vote for Tom if he were ahead in the polls on election day doomed him to failure by the very "tainting" of polls you routinely decry. YOU GAVE THEM THEIR AMMUNITION.
Your principles tell you to vote pragmatically, pushing the better choice to the side in favor of the one you've been told can actually win. Who told you this? The very party leaders and authorities we continually rail about on FR? The very media establishment that canonized Arnold as the Republican frontrunner (like Wesley Clark) as soon as he announced his candidacy?
Why is it that Tom can't win? Well, let's first see what it takes to win... To win, Tom needs more votes than his opponents. It takes us to vote for him. What will it take for us to vote for him? We have to know what he believes and see if it jibes with what we believe... he has to get his message out. What will it take to get his message out? It will take a lot of support. What does he not have? Support--not from the party, not from the media, not from you. Why? Because he's unelectable... it's a circular argument.
It's all moot now but my principles as an American say to vote my conscience. I shouldn't worry about my neighbor's vote. To game my vote or to vote strictly party line is to vote like a Democrat and a political lemming--not a man of principle.
At the end of the day, I will be who God called me to be. You can be what God called you to be. However, I am not less than you because I choose the better candidate and you choose to vote with the pack.
P.S. I'm not in CA anymore. I care about it's future and it's politics but my issue with this whole affair has been the subordination of conservative principles to a lemming pragmatism better suited to totalitarian regimes. It's not about Tom, it's about our future as a conservative voting population.
Sooooo, where was Bill???
There were TV cameras and no Bill Clinton. Is he deathly ill?
More people apparently want to retain Davis as Governor than want to have Arnold as Governor.
But because Davis is not allowed to be a candidate to succeed himself, it doesn't mean anything.
California is a strange place.
What's strange and downright bizarre is your type of extremely twisted thinking.
The reality is very plain and simple:
More people wanted Davis OUT. They had a pot pourri to select from to replace him. By far, Schwarzenegger received the vast vast majority in that selection process.
This should add to the "legitimacy" of the election. Arnold also owns 47.9% of the vote as compared to 47.4% for Gray last November.
Then redheaded John on MSNBC was using old numbers since the first thing I saw on tv this morning about an hour after your post time, was John showing Arnold had less votes (so far, I should note, but why the hell was he comparing them if not to "send a message") than Davis had gotten last time.
He did show 97% reporting in. And redheaded John is usually very good so now I'm perplexed with him pulling this number stunt.
The second question becomes who will replace the FIRED governor?
They are mutually exclusive questions. Your hypotheticals have nothing to do with reality.
Color me amazed that she didn't divorce him about 2 nanoseconds after she was elected Senator in New York. I think she honestly believed that people would be nostalgic for the Clinton years after a year or two of President Bush; the fact that they're not surprised her.
The Beest and her keepers have to be sweating bullets about the Arnold win. They may even have to concede the backlash effect of the Times smears. What is likely to be their next tactic and what will be their methods?
I think we'll see in a couple of weeks. Tying up the election results in the courts and plain old obstruction in the Assembly by Rat legislators are two likely outcomes. They'll probably learn from the experiences of the "Chicken D" legislators in Texas and secrete key Rat legislators somewhere in Nevada or New Mexico, thus denying a quorum and making Schwarzenegger look ineffective.
No change. She's not running for President:
She's running for VICE President.
She keeps he promise not to run for president in '04
Two years and one day into her term the first slotter gets arkincided
Under Article XXII, she can still run for two full terms as the incumbent
The Hillary! Decade begins
Hillary uses the Patriot Act to it's fullest extent, and beyond
At the end of the Hillary! Decade there is a National Emergency "temporarily" delaying the elections
Under the pressure of the National Emergency, the 2nd and 22nd amendments are repealed...
Just as an aside, with the Clinton's love of all things Military - Wesley Clark is VERY expendible, isn't he?
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