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To: Heartlander
The atheist believes that it is all here due to mindlessness.

I have no idea what this means, or what atheist might say such a thing. I'm sorry.

It sounds like, "art is due to tastelessness." Certainly there is art, and certainly there is tastelessness, but neither is the cause of the other.

Certainly there is existence and certainly there is mindlessness, and neither is the cause of the other, except that before there can be mindlessness (or anything else) there must first be existence.

If, perhaps, you mean that everything came from nothing and since there was nothing there were no minds either, this would be the creationist view, not the atheist, it would seem to me. It is creationists that teach everything was created ex nihilo (out of nothing), not atheists."

Hank

94 posted on 10/07/2003 10:57:01 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Hank,

I said mindlessness not nothingness. Again, the deist/theist states we are here by design and the atheist states we are here due to mindlessness i.e., no design. Our universe is designed or just a mindless, dumb luck occurrence.

Is consciousness subsumed by mindlessness i.e. lack of design and intelligence?

Certainly there is existence and certainly there is mindlessness, and neither is the cause of the other, except that before there can be mindlessness (or anything else) there must first be existence.

What is existence and where did this ‘existence’ come from? If our consciousness did not come solely from a mindless, purposeless, moral less, and unintelligent universe – than where or ‘what’ did it come from?

Cause and reason, or cause and no reason – but there must be cause for our reasoning.

Heart

97 posted on 10/07/2003 5:39:28 PM PDT by Heartlander (…or there is no reason for our cause…wouldn’t that be ‘bright’…)
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