Huge Blow to McClintock. California GOP to Formally Endorse Arnold Schwarzenegger 2pm PST Today

[edchambers]

Has anyone thought about what might happen if McClintock drops out and davis then cuts loose with some serious dirt on Arnold?

Not only have many of us thought of this but it's also been considered a strategy.I have never been one of the Tom should get out now crowd and several polls have shown that Arnold will win even with Mclintock in the race.I hope that Republicans will be pragmatic when they vote and if not at the very least Toms supporters will vote yes on the recall.

[fqued]

"I will believe you are a serious pro lifer, when you stop paying taxes.
Until then, you are just as responsible as the one who pays, as are the ones who obey the law and allow choice"

Uhh, does that include sales tax, property tax, gas tax, income tax, tacks tax??

You can't be serious. If you were, then only a person who lives OUTSIDE the US could be pro-life

By the way, two thousand years ago, a certain man was hit up with just such a question. His answer was rather cool. He asked whose face was on the coin? why, Ceasar's. Well, then, he said, render to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's.

Now THAT answer might well apply here--was Ceasar doing anything that the monotheistic Jews might have hated? yes. In the same manner, are our governments doing things that we pro-lifers hate? yes.

[Theodore R.]

I don't think this endorsement of Schwarzenegger is a blow to McClintock at all. The people who would be impacted by this endorsement were already for Schwarzenegger. What is hurting McClintock is that he is not a celebrity. People in CA will vote Democrat or celebrity, and if they can't do both, they will pick the celebrity.

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

You're rude, arrogant and insulting!

Ouch!!! Name calling!!! Foul!!! Foul!!! Foul!!! ok, YOU WIN!!! Now I'm for McClintock staying in, helping to elect Bustamante... (sarcasm off...).

Good job of showing your true colors.

[af_vet_1981]

I think you have that backwards. The GOP have endorsed Arnold. Tom was not picked for the TEAM.

There is one office at stake in the recall election, that of Governor. Arnold is the leading Republican for that office. There is no primary and no more time to jockey for the lead role.
Is Tom not a Republican state senator from California ?
Has someone else been paying his salary these many years ?

[StoneColdGOP]

Ouchy... Hope that made you feel good.

I note you're incapable (or unwilling) of actually refuting my statement... Only of making fun, taunting, and insults. So much of that seems to be common with Mr. S supporters.

Too bad really.

Ah well.

And yes, I will stand by what I said on LP... Because here, or there, the my points about the herd, whose ever it is, are valid.

[Dan from Michigan]

Michael Jackson? Bob Dole?

[BlackElk]

My, aren't you the pretentious one! Letting my emotions control my thinking, huh?

You have not argued with the facts that I posted. You have merely characterized them as an emotional attack. You want to define your position your way to comfort yourself by ignoring the facts. Let's see if argument by analogy will work.

1) If, in 1972, one supported and voted for George McGovern, it is reasonable to conclude that the voter was "anti-war" and, given the evidence as to McGovern, anti-American;

2) If, in 1964, one supported Barry Goldwater, it is reasonable to conclude that the voter disbelieved the notion that Barry was itching to start World War III (a nationwide string of abortion mills, perhaps, but not World War III);

3) If, in 1992, one supported the Arkansas Antichrist, whatever one's reason for doing so, such a voter would be voting to support abortion. No equivocations or rationalizations are necessary, desirable or effective. Voting for Clinton in 1992 was supporting abortion even if the voter said: "I only wanted to encourage other Arkansas poor boys to go to Yale;"

4) If, 1n 2000, one voted for Dubya, such a voter may well have been tired of eight years of rationalization for serial rapes and many murders known as Arkancides;

5) People who claim to be Republican who support Arnold Schwarzenegger are supporting: abortion, homosexual marriage with tax subsidies, gun control, higher taxes for education, spending schemes for education and retention of racial quota tools, because Arnold supports all of those things in spades. Such voters do not want to hear what they are supporting because they think they are nicer people than that, but, nice or not, that is what they are supporting.

6) You then resort to the suggestion that by telling the truth about Arnold, the conservatives (the actual ones) are trying to elect a Democrat who is less conservative. Not even a nice try. Those who vote for McClintock are voting for McClintock. Those who vote for Arnold, for Cruz, for Doofus are voting for Arnold, for Cruz or for Doofus and for their common policies in favor of abortion, tax-subsidized lavender canoodling; adoption of innocent children by homosexuals; gun control, tax increases and spending increases. ArnieCruzaDoofus are interchangeable parts.

You can put all the lipstick you want to put on a pig but it is still a pig. Reality is still reality. A is still A. Your subjective spin to protect your own eyeball bleeding desire for some imagined modest mere monetary relief does not transform Arnold into anything but the social issues barbarian that he is and always has been. It also does not make him a conservative on money matters any more than do his transparent invocations of Friedrich von Hayek and Milton Friedman.

Likewise, calling my post false does not make it false.

Bill Simon ought to have known better. He has humiliated himself and should limit himself to appointed positions having to do with money since that is what he seems to care about if he can bottom feed to support Schwarzenkennedy.

As to rhetoric, I don't think you or Arnold's other supporters would be likely to respond any better if I had said: "You know, that Arnold may have the support of some respectable conservatives, but, golly gosh darn, I just don't feel comfortable with Arnold. Perhaps we can find someone a smidgeon more conservative. Are you really sure that Arnold is sound on warrants and debentures??? Very few understand the critical importance of such matters as we do, dear. Please pass the watercress sandwiches and a spot of tea."

The actual conservatives and actual Republicans will have to clean up after the surrender monkeys, as usual, after the disaster. That you have chosen the path of surrender on the issues that count by supporting the man who intends to Kennedyize the Republican Party of California is on your conscience not mine. When the evils occur (in the event he is elected), wallow in them. You will have richly earned the right to wallow in the evils you have spawned.

Define a "conservative" victory in another way????? A few abortions discouraged but not denied? A denial or two of claims for lavender "partnership" benefits? Well, give the conservative boys a penny, we have soccer moms to play smoochie with, and lavenders, and abortionists and their clientele and public school teachers and other solid Arnie Republicans. "We don't NEED no STEENKING RIGHT WING NUTS."

I am a Roman Catholic and so is Bill Simon who, until now, has acted like one. Arnold, Cruz and Doofus all CLAIM to be Catholic. Doofus has been ordered by Bishop Wiegand of Sacramento NOT to receive the Holy Eucharist in that diocese because of his support for abortion. It's not much, but it is a start. The Catholic Church (the one in the Vatican) says that NO Catholic may support a candidate who supports abortion because to do so is to be morally complicit in the abortions that follow. If you don't agree, then argue with JP II and Cardinal Ratzinger. Bill Simon needs to go to confession. He ought to take a long hot shower first to cleanse his body before he gets his soul cleansed.

Abortion kills babies. Gun control results in the grabbing of guns. Q.E.D. The "beat the servants" language to which you object comes from the sainted Ann Coulter's book Slander. In supporting Arnold, if she does, Ann is making her only mistake to date and will surely repent, particularly if the droid is elected. She is nearly perfect. You and Arnold and Simon and the California GOP's lickspittle "leadership" are not.

That is nice of you to pat my head and claim to "appreciate" my passion but you do not. If Arnold is elected, his supporters (more than any Demonrat honest enough to admit Demonrat status and not pose as Republicans) will feel the white hot political sting of the passion of the actually conservative. In the middle of the road there are only yellow streaks and armadilloes.

If Arnie is elected, perhaps the official gubernatorial portrait can be painted using the Mapplethorpe/Arnie photos as a model. It is in line with an ArnieCruzaDoofus Gollivornia.

Ooooops, there I go again being soooooooo insensitive! It hurts some people to be told the truth. I really should be kinder to them.

Nah!

[BlackElk]

If you are going to pretend to quote me, try to be accurate: Arnold is a social ISSUE terrorist not a social terrorist.

He is getting a bit long in the tooth to be a social terrorist so I did not make that claim.

Your retraction is awaited.

[BlackElk]

Arnie or Cruz or Doofus: So what, other than party label, is the difference on babies, lavenders, guns, taxes, gummint skewels, racial quotas, spending??????????????????????????????????????????????

[Bella_Bru]

Arnold will win this race, and I was from CA for 35 years. You should go back under the rock from which you came. LP doesn't like you any longer either? Did you do something there, too? Perhaps Bella can tell us. Grandma still supporting the 23-year-old uneducated brat with not a bit of the grey stuff in his brain?

Is there a reason why you are calling me into this battle? Are we now planning on airing all dirty laundry here? Anything else? You wanna attack him, fine. But don't attack me. I guess neither you nor your hubby can understand this concept: WHAT ONE'S SIGNIFICANT OTHER SAYS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE OPINION OF THAT PERSON.

Oh, and don't expect another apology from me on WFTD for what SCG says here to you or anyone else.

[hchutch]

Seriously, though, my beef is not so much on the specifics, but a general trend I see emerging. There is a distinct "my way or the highway" type energing, and they seem determined to call anyone who does not ask "how high?" on the way up when they say "jump" a "RINO" or worse.

I don't like that - if they can't deal with disagreement without name-calling, then I don't think they deserve my support.

[BlackElk]

I wonder how many of the glassy-eyed fraternity/sorority of zombies crossing the Gollivorniyan wasteland, repeating the mantra: "ONLY Arnold Can Win! Only ARNOLD can Win! Only Arnold CAN Win! Only Arnold Can WIN! My God, man, (grabbing the lapels of the nearest victim), don't you REALIZE? ONLY ARNOLD CAN WIN!!!!!!" even know who his apparent mentor Gramsci was?

Don't forget yellow streaks and dead armadilloes.

[BlackElk]

Their betters, huh?

[BlackElk]

Herod Blackmun and six (1/22/73) shades of gray on SCOTUS (All but Whizzer White and Bill Rehnquist) have already surpassed Hitler, should reach Stalin in about three years or less and will match Mao in less than twenty years after that unless Roe goes the way of Dred Scott.

[BlackElk]

Pleased to be at your service.

[Robert_Paulson2]

only a person who lives OUTSIDE the US could be pro-life

which was my point.
Arnold is just in support of the law of the land. As is Ashcroft, Bush and the rest of us.. NOBODY, including arnold is a baby killer on our side... we uphold the law, pay our taxes and work for change within the current system.
Arnold is for parental notification, and against partial birth... which is the best we can do in California until the HEARTS of the MAJORITY are changed.

ARnold is NOT a baby killer. Never hurt a child in his life, that I know of.

the baby killer rhetoric is just that rhetoric.

[BlackElk]

Translation: Arnold worships money and will do nothing to upset the pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun status quo.

[BlackElk]

Also Arnie might not be ashamed to call himself a kumquat but that will not make him one. It might harm the reputation of kumquats for Arnie to claim to be one, but that is another question. No one likes two-faced fruits or vegetables.

[GOP_1900AD]

It's called a line in the sand. We will not take any more Gramscian foward motion, we will stand and fight.