Funny Things: Polling Data and Same-Sex 'Marriages'

BreakPoint ^ | 3 Sept 03 | Chuck Colson

[Mr. Silverback]

The family is the brick that our society is built with. If we make the brick squishy and vaguely defined, what happens?

[Mr. Silverback]

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[azhenfud]

"Knowing that the Supreme Court could take marriage out of our hands, the American people are looking for ways to keep control."

I currently know of no state that doesn't already have "exclusive" rights to issue marriage licenses, so, in effect, the state already has control over marriages (actually for this purpose should be "weddings"). Yet, the state already has prescribed rules of marriage ministers, priests, and rabbis must follow if they're to avoid penalty from the states.

This coupled with the infringement of federal judges into state issues like recently occurred in Alabama, and we have the making of the Supreme Court redefining marriage without any consult of the American people.

So, do states cross a line of "respecting an establishment of religion" in presetting requirements for marriage? "Congress shall make no law" should clearly prohibit the Federal courts' intervention, but is no guarantee of their exclusion. Since only states issue marriage licenses, should ministers, priests, and rabbis only have authority to "bless" the marriage act - done by the "state", with a wedding ceremony from the "church" and each specificly pass laws to exclude federal judiciary involvement? Or should states stay out of marriage altogether, except for the purpose of recording and keeping vital records and leave the issue of marriage definition to religious institutions?

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[Protagoras]

If we make the brick squishy and vaguely defined, what happens?

It's not vague. It says that sexual behavior is none of the government's business. Pretty clear.

[johnb838]

I read somewhere that you couldn't oppose the same-sex marriage legislation in Canada because that would be "hate speech."

[Protagoras]

The solution to this contentious issue is to let democracy work.

Precisely why the framers didn't call for a democracy. Also called an ochlocracy. The framers were interested in defending individual rights, not enforcing mob rule.

[EdReform]

"This is our moment to act. The Church must be energized, and we Christians must equip ourselves with the information and arguments to make our case to our neighbors and our legislators."

An excerpt from: Homosexual Priests: A Time for Truth:

"The homosexual movement has a history of trying to claw its way into places its agenda doesn’t belong, not for the betterment of mankind, but simply to legitimize and normalize perverse behavior. This is apparent in the all-too-common need of homosexuals to declare their sexuality rather than simply do the job they sign on to do.

This is extremely detrimental - first, it creates conflict with others as most believe homosexuality to be wrong, and it shows that the full efforts of the employed homosexual are not going towards performing the task at hand but largely to declaring their lifestyle. When it comes to serious concerns such as the Church, schools, and the Boy Scouts that involve our children, we can’t take the risk of giving them this power to destroy the values we as parents try to instill, nor can we put our country’s welfare at stake by turning these pivotal foundational institutions and our military into homosexual social experiments.

The homosexual movement is marked by two major tendencies: the tendency to continually infiltrate all good aspects of society; and once they have achieved that, the tendency to destroy this good. Public education, the Boy Scouts, the military, and now the Catholic Church have been targeted, and all have been hurt by the effects of homosexuality. The media and the Church must break its silence towards this enemy. If they do not, the people themselves must rise up and expose it..."

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[ChewedGum]

The family is the brick that our society is built with. If we make the brick squishy and vaguely defined, what happens?

Well put. We need to continue to restore the broken bricks around us.

Gum

[First Amendment]

"The happy State of Matrimony is, undoubtedly, the surest and most lasting Foundation of Comfort and Love; the Source of all that endearing Tenderness and Affection which arises from Relation and Affinity; the grand Point of Property; the Cause of all good Order in the World, and what alone preserves it from the utmost Confusion; and, to sum up all, the Appointment of infinite Wisdom for these great and good Purposes." --Benjamin Franklin

People always love to say how "deist" so many of the founders were and how profligate Franklin supposedly was. My viewpoint is that they weren't saints that I know of, and their statements, worldview and general comportmant are what is important. I have not a doubt that if any of them were magically transported to USA 2003, they would be horrified beyond belief, and start a second revolution (either that or go to the mountains to be a hermit).

[MeekOneGOP]

And a funny thing is happening in Canada. An Ontario court recognized same-sex "marriage," and a bill to redefine marriage was introduced into Parliament. Now Canadians are writing to their legislators saying that they won't stand for it. Good for them.

barf alert!

MICHAEL STUPARYK/TORONTO STAR

Michael Stark, left, and Michael Lashner pop champagne
and kiss after their wedding ceremony yesterday.
Leshner called the ruling, "Day One for millions of gays
and lesbians around the world."

Gay couple married after ruling
(Toronto, Canada)

B.C. court OK's gay marriage -
first gay couple legally married in British Columbia

Gays Flock to Divorce Court

Same-sex unions in 'News' -
Dallas Morning News to publish FREE
same sex unions announcements

The Media's Gay Mafia "Queers" the News

Useful Idiot Caption-A-Rama: Special Gay Pride Edition!

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[First Amendment]

It's not vague. It says that sexual behavior is none of the government's business. Pretty clear.

Are you referring to the Constitution? What about the States' authority to enact laws that govern sexual behavior? Are of you of the opinion that isn't allowed either?

If that is your stance, what have you to say about the fact that at the time the original documents of this country were written, there were state's laws on the books (for instance) criminalizing sodomy, with quite severe punishments, and for 150 years no one considered such laws unconstitutional?

[editor-surveyor]

"Knowing that the Supreme Court could take marriage out of our hands, the American people are looking for ways to keep control. This is, after all, a democracy."

Is it?

I find Mr. Colson to be a superfifial and confused individual.

Where in all this is the call to prayer?

[maestro]

Your# 12.........Correct!

This weekend go see the new movie playing Now at a theater Near you!!

Do it,......Go see the American Western (Cowboy) movie,..."Open Range".

Enjoy a historic/culture..... 'American' film.......enjoy!!!

:-)

[Mr. Silverback]

So, do states cross a line of "respecting an establishment of religion" in presetting requirements for marriage? "Congress shall make no law" should clearly prohibit the Federal courts' intervention, but is no guarantee of their exclusion. Since only states issue marriage licenses, should ministers, priests, and rabbis only have authority to "bless" the marriage act - done by the "state", with a wedding ceremony from the "church" and each specificly pass laws to exclude federal judiciary involvement? Or should states stay out of marriage altogether, except for the purpose of recording and keeping vital records and leave the issue of marriage definition to religious institutions?

Let me put it this way: Anton LaVey was licensed to perform weddings.

Most states only require that one be a "licensed minister," and there are at least a couple of organizations that will "ordain" just about anybody. And if you, like LaVey, found your own religion, you get ordained by them and Presto!

State establishment would come from something like saying, "Sorry, only protestant marriages are recognized in this state" or "Moonies can't perform weddings."

[Protagoras]

Are you referring to the Constitution?

Nope. But it is what THEY are saying.

What about the States' authority to enact laws that govern sexual behavior?

I don't think that any such moral authority exists. I leave the legalisms to others.

Are of you of the opinion that isn't allowed either?

Shouldn't is the proper description of my opinion.

[First Amendment]

Do it,......Go see the American Western (Cowboy) movie,..."Open Range".

Please tell me a little more about the movie. My range of movie viewing is self-limited because I don't want to pollute my mind with depravity, so I'll see Mel Gibson, and some old movies... I liked "Gods and Generals" - Duval was GREAT - and LOTR (but now I know that the actor who played Gandalf is "gay" I feel creepy).

[Mr. Silverback]

That second picture of the marrying men...I don't think I'd want to see a picture of either of those guys kissing the 2nd most beautiful woman in the world (the most beautiful is my wife) much less see them kissing each other!