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To: ConsistentLibertarian
(Forgot this part:)

There are Christians all over Europe who manage to be devout in their faith without feeling undermined by the limited role their governments take in this arena.

So you see the government on a search and destroy mission, eradicating any vestige of religious expression anywhere except in the privacy of one's own closet as a LIMITED ROLE???

Sorry for the caps but I have a hard time seeing the limited role of government in their ruthless nitpicking removal of any and all religious freedom in any public sphere. And I would not be called a Christian fundamentalist by any of the same.

47 posted on 08/23/2003 12:19:56 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
So you see the government on a search and destroy mission, eradicating any vestige of religious expression anywhere except in the privacy of one's own closet as a LIMITED ROLE???

Is anybody trying to shut down all those Christian radio and cable stations? Is anybody shutting down churches? Are people being tossed into the clinker for talking about religion?

No. But we are asking that the government not endorse religion.

151 posted on 08/23/2003 5:22:07 PM PDT by MattAMiller
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To: pram
I missed this one:

"you see the government on a search and destroy mission, eradicating any vestige of religious expression anywhere except in the privacy of one's own closet as a LIMITED ROLE???"

You're describing the Soviet Republics which outlawed religious expression and worship, or at least put serious limitations on both.

You're not describing the position held by myself and others who object to the display of the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court of Alabama.

To get a grip on the difference consider the ACLU, which is one of the plaintiffs in this case. The ACLU has no interest in limiting religious expression anywhere except in the privacy of one's own closet. The ACLU has been the leading advocate for, and defender of, freedom of religious expression. If you're unaware of the case law and willing to learn, I'd be happy to educate you.

If anyone wants to buy a huge parking lot in downtown Birmingham and put the Ten Commandments on display (a huge monument even), they're most welcome to do so. Heck, it would be more visible that way. And if anyone tried to stop you, the ACLU would leap to your defense.
176 posted on 08/23/2003 11:39:03 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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