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Other things about marriage
TownHall.com ^ | August 10, 2003 | William F. Buckley

Posted on 08/11/2003 8:21:24 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

In the every-two-minutes bulletins on the sex/marriage/gay-religion wars, we detect wisps of mockery directed at conventional marriage with conventional aims. Those who are bent on introducing a little fun into the analyses tend almost always to use the word "procreation" with a faint sense of disdain. They tend to make the whole human life process sound rather like hard labor, which is appropriate to describe only one of the two episodes in the beginning of life: birth, but not conception. Hard labor faithfully describes one part of the third act, which is rearing the child.

But attitudes can be skeptical, and derisive, as when a correspondent of AndrewSullivan.com introduces recondite bits of Vatican lore having to do with marriage and impotence, and asks such questions as, Is marriage continuingly sacred after the onset of impotence? etc. etc.

The dismissal of marriage as nothing more than that which is supposed to happen before children eventuate is sociology -- the taboo-lifting license given to newlyweds who have formalized mating arrangements. Although we don't think very much about it, the breeding of children is of course required for the perpetuation of the race.

Mocking Swedish emphases on unburdened sex and birth control and free abortion, the late Malcolm Muggeridge quipped to a friend, "Just think of the good side of it. By the year 2050 there will be zero Swedes left!" That was high mockery, but in its own way a reminder that if the world is to go on, so also do people need to be generated to inhabit it. If there is nobody living, who will be left to inveigh against the neglect of the environment?

But move quickly from the mechanical points, which take up so much time. There is something of a wavelet to eliminate altogether the act of marriage. Let two persons of one or more genders -- make that three persons, or four polyamorous persons -- make their own arrangements, and then invoke congenial aspects of the law to make cohabitation feasible. What more do you need? Want?

Well, what more is wanted is attention devoted to the extra-biological uses of marriage:

It is vital to discern here that such help and devotion as are given to the child are neither entirely "interested" nor "disinterested." Yes, one motive in sacrificing in order to send the child to medical school might be self-concern -- maybe when retirement happens, the affluent son or daughter might be able to help out. But the sweeping, unexamined, unheralded motive for helping the child is a sense of duty. The father and the mother show feelings of love and responsibility that are not equivalently evoked by any other relationship.

Yes, we love and venerate our parents, we try to help our friends, to love the poor, to give to the Red Cross. But it's not quite the same thing, is it? And one is permitted to wonder: What would society lose if the total sum of that care and love that are engendered by having children were lost to civilization?

If the above is true, is it also self-evident? We know that the composite impact of single-parent homes on children is huge. The poverty rate in single-parent homes is 400 percent of that for two-parent homes. Among long-term prison inmates, 70 percent grew up without a father in residence. There are comparable figures for illiteracy and drug use. The social problems we concern ourselves with in our mammoth federal programs would substantially end with the reconstitution of traditional family life.

There are always the exceptions. Gay couples who adopt children can show exemplary concern for them. But people who talk about marriage, and dismiss it with nothing more than perfunctory acknowledgment of the procreational arrangement, are not seeing through to the heart of the question.


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Those who are bent on introducing a little fun into the analyses tend almost always to use the word "procreation" with a faint sense of disdain.
Friedlander described heterosexuals and effeminate homosexuals as Kummerlings (puny beings). The Ulrichs-Hirschfeld school believed that both homosexuality and heterosexuality were equal and legitimate forms of sexual love. However, the Brand-Friedlander school believed that eros (sexual love) had a rising scale of worth, with heterosexuality at the bottom and pederasty at the top. Steakley writes, "For the Community, however, heterosexual relations were relegated to purely procreative ends and the esthetic superiority of pedophile relations was asserted" (Steakley:46). In other words, heterosexuals were valued only as "breeders."
Friedlander also quoted from Gustov Jager who argued that, in contrast to the "Fems," masculine homosexuals were Uebermaenner (supermen), superior to heterosexuals because they were even more masculine (Oosterhuis and Kennedy:87). Some of the pederasts of the Community of the Elite did not consider themselves homosexuals at all, declaring the "love of friends" and homosexuality two different phenomena (ibid.:86).
Friedlander for a time was a member of both the Community of the Elite and the SHC. A review of his articles written for the SHC reveal that he endeavored to convince the members of the group that they were not going far enough: the SHC simply wanted the "right to privacy," but the Community of the Elite wanted a complete transformation of Germany from a Judeo-Christian society to a Greco-Uranian one.The PinkSwastika 4th Edition - Final
The acceptance of homosexuality as the equal of heterosexual marital love signifies the decline of Western civilization as surely as the rejection of homosexuality and other nonmarital sex made the creation of this civilization possible. Judaism's Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected Homosexuality

If the above is true, is it also self-evident? We know that the composite impact of single-parent homes on children is huge. The poverty rate in single-parent homes is 400 percent of that for two-parent homes. Among long-term prison inmates, 70 percent grew up without a father in residence. There are comparable figures for illiteracy and drug use. The social problems we concern ourselves with in our mammoth federal programs would substantially end with the reconstitution of traditional family life.

Nations most often fall from within, and this fall is usually due to a decline in the moral and spiritual values in the family. As families go, so goes a nation. The Decline of a Nation
Why Marriage Matters: Twenty-One Conclusions from the Social Sciences. Ministering to Children of Divorce Through Their Lives Institute for American Values
The God of the Bible defines true marriage as one man, one woman, one lifetime. [This is the order of creation, the image of God.] The health of society is rooted in this foundation. Is Same-Sex Marriage Good for the Nation?
 

There are always the exceptions. Gay couples who adopt children can show exemplary concern for them.

Illuminates the flaws of the leading social science studies on homosexual parenting and child development that are relied upon by courts, legislators, and lawyers in advocating homosexual adoption of children. ---George Rekers, a Professor of Neuropsychiatry and Behavioral Science at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine, is author of The Handbook of Child and Adolescent Sexual Problems. He was the recipient of the 2000 Sigmund Freud Award for Pioneering Research.--- Mark D. Kilgus is a board certified Studies of Homosexual Parenting: A Critical Review, by George Rekers & Mark Kilgus
Referenced as both supporting and weakening the case for parenting by homosexuals, 57 life- story narratives of children with homosexual parents published by Rafkin in 1990 and Saffron in 1996 were subjected to content analysis. Children mentioned one or more problems/concerns in 48 (92%) of 52 families. Of the 213 scored problems, 201 (94%) were attributed to the homosexual parent(s). Older daughters in at least 8 (27%) of 30 families and older sons in at least 2 (20%) of 10 families described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. These findings are inconsistent with propositions that children of homosexuals do not differ appreciably from those who live with married parents or that children of homosexuals are not more apt to engage in homosexuality. Children Of Homosexual Parents Report Childhood Difficulties
The fact is there are volumes of research outlining the dangers to children of homosexual parenting. The International Journal of Epidemiology reported that among homosexuals, there is an increased incidence of suicide, depression, multiple sexual partners, and domestic violence compared to the heterosexual population. Surely, children deserve a more stable environment! Additionally, the life expectancy of homosexuals is dramatically lower than that of the heterosexual population. In the first case of homosexual adoption approved by the state of New Jersey, both adoptive parents died from AIDS within a short time after the adoption. Further, sexual identity confusion is common among children raised by gay parents. The AAP's position is part of a political campaign to normalize homosexual relationships and confer upon them "marital" status. But children are not guinea pigs and should not be used as pawns in some grand social experiment. They deserve the best, and do best when they are part of a family where they have a mother and father united in marriage. Ken Connor's Washington Update: Family Research Council February ...
Homosexuals make poor parents Same Sex Marriage: Til Death Do Us Part?

 

 

 

1 posted on 08/11/2003 8:21:24 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; scripter
"In the every-two-minutes bulletins on the sex/marriage/gay-religion wars, we detect wisps of mockery directed at conventional marriage with conventional aims."


The homosexual community has been mocking and attacking marriage for years.

An excerpt from: In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda:

"Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine:

...to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution... The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake --and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the notion of family entirely." "Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us."


The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game

What Homosexuals Say About Homosexuals - Is This Gay Behavior Sick?



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2 posted on 08/11/2003 8:42:53 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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The homosexual community has been mocking and attacking marriage for years.

And mocking and attacking the whole created moral order and common sense as well.

3 posted on 08/11/2003 8:48:39 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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If you want marriage to be something that is valued again, you have to get rid of the financial incentives that the state, local and federal governments have in promoting divorce and fights over child custody. Divorce has turned into a multi-billion dollar industry and jobs program. The more divorces there are, the more government jobs are created as well as private sector jobs created to cater to those functions that the governments are not set up to provide themselves. As long as there are tens of thousands of people whos jobs depend on a certain divorce rate, the polititians will make sure that that rate is maintained or increased. Almost every member of congress is or was a practicing lawyer. They will not do anything to take business away from the fellow lawyers.
4 posted on 08/11/2003 8:57:45 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; EdReform; *Homosexual Agenda; GrandMoM; backhoe; pram; Yehuda; ...
Thanks for the post and the ping. I'm still trying to catch up from the weekend.

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5 posted on 08/11/2003 9:07:55 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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....let's call a spade a spade "ARNOLD IS A RINO"!
6 posted on 08/11/2003 9:29:28 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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....SORRY, wrong thread <:0[
7 posted on 08/11/2003 9:32:06 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
There are mountains of evidence that homosexual behavior is (fatally) destructive - to individuals who practice it and identify as "homosexuals", to the children who are raised in that atmosphere, to children and young people seduced or molested by them, and to the culture at large when such behavior and group identity is promoted.

It is necessary to publicize all these facts, and it is part of the "gay agenda" to control the media so that it cannot happen. One point that Scott Lively has made is that the homosexual activists (or homo-nazis, as they really should be called) have changed the meanings of the words used in debate and discussion. So now we often wind up using words that THEY have mis-defined the meanings of.
First of all, there is really no such thing as a "homosexual". The word was invented by a pederast (I think he is mentioned in one of your articles bits above) to connote a sense of "special community" for those who were sodomites and pederasts. And the use of the word "gay" is even more disgusting. The "gay agenda" people want us to think of them as a group, with immutable characterists.

There are no homosexuals, just humans who, for various reasons, are impelled by the desire to commit same sex sodomy and pederasty, and don't want to stop or change. And now want to change society into a virtual hellish whorehouse for their own enjoyment, and our detriment.

It is a culture war, and where it will end up is up to us.
8 posted on 08/11/2003 9:33:03 AM PDT by First Amendment
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"Nations most often fall from within, and this fall is usually due to a decline in the moral and spiritual values in the family. As families go, so goes a nation."

No, nations usally fall when they are attacked by another more powerful nation. They can, however, fall from within but it's not 'most often' that they do fall that way.

9 posted on 08/11/2003 9:41:27 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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Gee, I've never done that myself! :-)
10 posted on 08/11/2003 9:44:39 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: CJ Wolf
The Decline of a Nation link repaired.
11 posted on 08/11/2003 9:48:06 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: GrandMoM

....let's call a spade a spade "ARNOLD IS A RINO"!

....SORRY, wrong thread <:0[

From what I've read, Arnold hasn't a clue about the necessity of morality in maintenance of proper government in the American tradition. If so, he is no more fit to govern than the one he may replace.

12 posted on 08/11/2003 9:54:02 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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From what I've read, Arnold hasn't a clue about the necessity of morality in maintenance of proper government in the American tradition. If so, he is no more fit to govern than the one he may replace.....his morals are no better than GREYouts!
13 posted on 08/11/2003 9:57:59 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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Hey, script, how's it goin'?
14 posted on 08/11/2003 10:01:53 AM PDT by xzins
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There are no homosexuals, just humans who, for various reasons, are impelled by the desire to commit same sex sodomy and pederasty, and don't want to stop or change. And now want to change society into a virtual hellish whorehouse for their own enjoyment, and our detriment.

Alan Sears and Craig Osten, of the Scottsdale-based Alliance Defense Fund, expose the homosexual agenda and its fight for "gay" rights for what it is - an unrestrained, no-holds-barred attack on the family and religious freedom. Using quotes from radical homosexual leaders as well as documented examples of legal battles, entertainment industry complicity and the support of the public schools, this exposé outlines in detail not only how much progress has been made to date in accomplishing the homosexual agenda, but also the grave implications of further progress.

The homosexual agenda has as its primary aim to "trump" the rights of all other groups, especially those of people of faith. The saddest part of the story is that it is working. Sears and Osten provide well-documented proof that America is not only becoming more tolerant of homosexuality, through the indoctrination of children, positive exposure on TV, and the support and approval of corporate America; it is becoming less tolerant of those who disagree. The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom ...

15 posted on 08/11/2003 10:04:50 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: xzins
Hey, script, how's it goin'?

Way too busy! :-) Just the threads on homosexuality are enough to keep a guy busy, let alone working a job!

16 posted on 08/11/2003 10:12:00 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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Put me on your ping list if you don't mind. Thanks. X
17 posted on 08/11/2003 10:14:12 AM PDT by xzins
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However, a nation that is moral and upright will be far less vulnerable to its enemies than one which has suffered this sort of decay from within.
18 posted on 08/11/2003 10:18:17 AM PDT by beelzepug (incessantly yapping for change)
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Put me on your ping list if you don't mind. Thanks. X

Done. A simple freepmail is all it takes to unsubscribe as well. Sometimes the amount of pings can be high as we've seen this week, or it can be dead for a week or more.

Educating the fence sitters with the real facts about homosexuality is an important task that cannot be squelched. I'm very grateful for your previous and future help in this matter. God bless you for your time.

19 posted on 08/11/2003 10:29:47 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Thanks for the link - I'll buy it, but not on Amazon. I won't buy from them because (the last i heard) they had child pornogaphy books (so-called "art books") and refused to remove them, and links to porn sites in the book reviews. If anyone knows if that is changed, let me know!
And thanks for putting up great links and info. I can argue and debate, but my computer skills are barely existent, and my "life" right now is so chaotic (moving) that I can't keep track of anything. The truth needs to be presented, forcefully, again and again and again!!!
20 posted on 08/11/2003 11:41:38 AM PDT by First Amendment
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