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man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants
Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY

Second arrest made in immigrant incident

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003

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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.

Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.

A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.

Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.

He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."

Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.

Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.

Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.

Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.

William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.

Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.

"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."

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KEYWORDS: citizensarrest; crime; illegalimmigrants
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To: CWOJackson
Can you imagine what would happen if these people did this to a family of U.S. citizens?

Bound to happen. Boozed up weekend warriors do dumb things.
Groups are actively recruiting. I wonder what kind of hiring standards are upheld?

I get pretty tan in the summer...I'm not going south of Mission Viejo. ;)

281 posted on 08/08/2003 12:44:30 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: DoughtyOne
The border patrol has the legal authority, and the proper training/experience, to stop people and challenge them. These people have no authority to demand anyone prove their citizenship.
282 posted on 08/08/2003 12:44:30 AM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: PRND21
To: DoughtyOne

And you just keep cheering on the marxist organization...

Never. You are a Liar.

277 posted on 08/08/2003 12:39 AM PDT by PRND21
 

As I mentioned earlier, the policies you support conincide with the policies of these organizations: La Raza, MechLa, Hermandad Nacional, Democrat Party, Socialist's Party, Trade Union, A.N.S.W.E.R. and Aztlan.com.

You and I have discussed the illegal alien situation before.  As I recall you see nothing wrong with it.  If that is in error, then say so.

283 posted on 08/08/2003 12:46:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: PRND21
This would be a golden opportunity for some eager lawyer out there. Find a willing family, send them hiking into the war zone and just happen to have some caucasion folks with video cameras always in camera range.
284 posted on 08/08/2003 12:46:30 AM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Hmmm, I don't recall seeing lots of arrests of border jockeys lately. Why don't you point us to that thread.

#127 this thread, Spencer- felony arrest for gun charges the other day. When you're done go to google to find out how Simcox and pal got arrest on gun charges. Next, read how Ranch Rescue dudes pistol whipped some guys and got arrested. I'm sure there is more. Keep cheering, Hippo Cricket.

285 posted on 08/08/2003 12:53:10 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: CWOJackson
You know what, I don't particularly like this situation either. Wehn Glenn Spencer moved to the Arizona border zone, I didn't think it would be long at all before he and those who were arresting illegal immigrants would be charged. But suprisingly they effected thousands of apprehensions without being charged. The INS took those arrested illegals off their hands and returned them to Mexico.

I want the border area cleaned up. So do a lot of other people. This isn't going to be resolved until the government comes to grips with the reality that this IS going to stop one way or another.

I do not advocate any violent end to this, but then I'm not living on the border. Sooner or later some real hotheads (not these people who didn't hurt anyone) are going to hurt someone. When that happens folks like you will say see. And I'll turn to you and say see.
286 posted on 08/08/2003 12:55:37 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: PRND21
That's what I thought. Thousands of apprehensions and you can point to perhaps ten arrests, some of them unrelated to border enforcement.
287 posted on 08/08/2003 12:57:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: PRND21
And you keep cheering too. You've got a lot of people behind you.
288 posted on 08/08/2003 12:58:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: DoughtyOne
As I mentioned earlier, the policies you support conincide with the policies of these organizations: La Raza, MechLa, Hermandad Nacional, Democrat Party, Socialist's Party, Trade Union, A.N.S.W.E.R. and Aztlan.com.

And yours coincides with the Nazi Party. I don't think you're a Nazi, but you are cheering on law breakers, which makes you a hypocrite.

You and I have discussed the illegal alien situation before. As I recall you see nothing wrong with it. If that is in error, then say so.

Completely false.

289 posted on 08/08/2003 12:59:01 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: DoughtyOne
I firmly believe that the government does need to do more, but that doesn't change the illegal action this group took nor the menace that they can be to citizens who have every right to be on those trails. I didn't doubt they would end up in trouble either, but only because I was pretty sure it wouldn't take them long to step beyond their authority as a citizen and do something illegal and dangerous.
290 posted on 08/08/2003 1:00:19 AM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: PRND21
Take care Amigo. I'm hitting the pit. It's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out in court.
291 posted on 08/08/2003 1:01:59 AM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: CWOJackson
The border patrol has the legal authority, and the proper training/experience, to stop people and challenge them. These people have no authority to demand anyone prove their citizenship.
 

Give some citizens a few weeks training, one week of basic Spanish, and they will make excellent bounty hunters. Sure looks like the Border Patrol can use some help there.

292 posted on 08/08/2003 1:02:45 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: PRND21
To: DoughtyOne

As I mentioned earlier, the policies you support conincide with the policies of these organizations: La Raza, MechLa, Hermandad Nacional, Democrat Party, Socialist's Party, Trade Union, A.N.S.W.E.R. and Aztlan.com.

And yours coincides with the Nazi Party. I don't think you're a Nazi, but you are cheering on law breakers, which makes you a hypocrite.

You and I have discussed the illegal alien situation before. As I recall you see nothing wrong with it. If that is in error, then say so.

Completely false.

289 posted on 08/08/2003 12:59 AM PDT by PRND21
 

Oh I've been called Nazi by a number of socialist backers.  This is nothing new to me.

Great, what policies do you endorse to stop illegal aliens from coming into our nation?

293 posted on 08/08/2003 1:03:37 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: CWOJackson
To: DoughtyOne

I firmly believe that the government does need to do more, but that doesn't change the illegal action this group took nor the menace that they can be to citizens who have every right to be on those trails. I didn't doubt they would end up in trouble either, but only because I was pretty sure it wouldn't take them long to step beyond their authority as a citizen and do something illegal and dangerous.

290 posted on 08/08/2003 1:00 AM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
 

I see both these situations being problematic, but I don't see much alternative at this time.  Citizens have been literally begging for an end to this situation, but the federal government allows it to continue.

Have a good night.

294 posted on 08/08/2003 1:06:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thousands of apprehensions and you can point to perhaps ten arrests

Ten?! Jeez, I only knew of three. I missed some, post some links, please. And which ones were "not border-related"?

295 posted on 08/08/2003 1:07:10 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: CWOJackson
Take care Amigo. I'm hitting the pit.

Me too.
Simply sh*tcan all the goodies California gives out and the problem is solved. Cause and effect means it's dumb to hunt the effect.

296 posted on 08/08/2003 1:10:44 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: DoughtyOne
Great, what policies do you endorse to stop illegal aliens from coming into our nation?

See #296 below. I've told you that before.
I didn't call you a Nazi, quit the melodramatics.

297 posted on 08/08/2003 1:14:19 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Make that "above". ;)
299 posted on 08/08/2003 1:15:50 AM PDT by PRND21
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