The Tenet Fiasco - Discussion Thread

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[Cathryn Crawford]

George Tenet's admission last night that it was his mistake that caused President Bush to use faulty intelligence in his State of The Union address is interesting at the same time as it is convienent. In the statement itself, which is lengthy and filled with reasons as to the intelligence failure, Tenet wholeheartedly takes responsility for his agency.

"Let me be clear about several things right up front. First, CIA approved the President's State of the Union address before it was delivered. Second, I am responsible for the approval process in my Agency. And third, the President had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound. These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President. "

On the face of it, this admission seems like the perfect solution to the growing problems for both the Bush and Blair administration. It's all CIA's fault, they can claim. But is that really viable?

On the face of it, perhaps. But Bush is the President. He has to take final responsibility, doesn't he?

If Bush can truly claim to know absolutely nothing, then don't we have a serious problem - wouldn't that imply that Bush is either incompetent or is simply not paying attention?

For discussion purposes - has Bush been conned by Tenet? And if he has, isn't that rather serious?

And if he wasn't conned by Tenet, what is the alternative?

[Quix]

You said:

Other wise it could be construed as ganging up, piling on, taunting, baiting, etc.

Honey, I'm home. :-)


the ganging up, pilin on, taunting, baiting etc. sounded to me, as well as evidently to you--

sounded like you!

[Howlin]

That, of course, is your opinion. It also is the excuse you all use when you're losing an argument to women.

[Quix]

Liberia is a bit of a puzzle.

Personally, I wonder if the Africa thing is not mostly Bush trying to do an honorable thing for a land with many suffering poor people. Certainly the Christian thing to do.

And, probably some strategic reasons to do it, too.

But it mostly seems like a kind hearted thing to do, to me.

More power to him. I just wish we didn't have a 4 trillion deficit before we started.

[arasina]

As far as I'm concerned you are no better than a CNN reporter. This story only has legs because people like you are trying to make it bigger than it is. You obviously do not understand how intelligence works, best to remain silent and thought a fool than to write it down and prove it.

Or one might end up with "yellow cake" on their face.

[Lauratealeaf]

But darn it all, I still like him.

Are you Al Franken?

[Peach]

Several of us noticed your two posts - one after the other - where the reading is quite funny. You are correct - you did not call Rummy the anti-Christ - just a sort of puppeteer for globalists, etc.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

I thought it was uranium.

What's wrong with yellow cake? I like it, with vanilla frosting.

Just joking, chocolate is my favorite!

:)

[Quix]

I don't really know who Al Franken is.

Though i sort of feel I don't like him, I can't say why.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Stop! You are making me tear up now. :)

[Cathryn Crawford]

If Tenet should be fired or forced to resign, and that is the LEAST that you think should happen, what more stringent measures do you believe should be taken?

Tenet should resign, and CIA and State should clean house.

[Lauratealeaf]

Did you hear that Betty Crocker is going to change their cake mixes? This worries me. I don't think I will ever buy a yellow cake mix again.

[Miss Marple]

Explain how one would "clean house" in those two departments, keeping in mind that Civil Service laws protect career employees from being fired without cause (cause being theft, gross misconduct, etc.).

[Cathryn Crawford]

This is not a cooking thread.

[Cathryn Crawford]

Lying is gross misconduct.

And what would you have happen?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I think Bill and Shrillery have probably both tried to have sex with the Anti-Christ--or close to it.

Quix, you say some very bizarre things. Very bizarre.

[Howlin]

[Quix]

I can understand the humor in my sequential posts.

Thanks for your kind reply.

[Quix]

Ah well, have been a bird of rare plumage most of my life.

all of my life.

And, hyperbole or not, I say what FEELS fitting more than what SOUNDS logical . . .

but I guess no one would have guessed that [/satire]

And I really do believe Shrillery Hellery and Billdo HAVE either chosen and acted well over the line about where they will spend eternity--or are close to it--they've just been so stubbornly and determinedly and premeditately evil soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times in sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many directions--nothing evil would surprise me much about that duo.

Would it you????

[Ben Bolt]

No sunshine . 'Ya gotta log me out 1st before you reply . I've voted GOP as you well know since I was 17 years young and I wont in 04 but that is for another thread .

As for you child . You could have easily looked up the 3-5 day old thread and learned the facts . You chose to post this so called innocent query .

You have a presence here but I am not fooled by you . To refer to you as a simpleton troll is the least I will say . Enjoy your fanbase and certainly make the most of it . I'm telling you for certain I believe you have an agenda that is self serving & you are a bullshit artist .

[Pan_Yans Wife]

CIA and State should clean house

Not going to happen. The bureacracy in Washington is never going to leave, to the detriment of the Bush administration, perhaps. These people don't get fired, they get promoted, or haven't you noticed?