Was Secession Treason?

Daveblack ^ | June 30, 2003 | DaveBlack

[hobbes1]

Yes...The old two wrongs make me right argument...

I am just curious, in what way was the Indian treated by the Rebel states?

[sheltonmac]

Advocating abolition could get you killed in many areas of the south back then.

Many? How many is "many"?

[stainlessbanner]

The Cherokee People aligned with the CSA - read the Declaration of Causes.

Other Nations chose to avoid the war, but Sherman and Grant took care of them later.

[sheltonmac]

Instead we have universal tyranny with no where to flee to.

Exactly. The whole concept of the "free and independent state" sought to prevent that.

[aristeides]

I'll agree that preserving slavery was a major -- if not the sole -- reason for the South's secession in 1861. However, it was also a major reason for a lot of Americans to fight for independence in the American Revolution, especially in the Southern states. Virginia royal governor Lord Dunmore and many other leaders of the resistance to the Revolution offered freedom to slaves who fought on the British side, many slaves either so fought or at least fled behind British lines, and many American leaders, like Jefferson, regarded this British use of slaves as perhaps their most uncivilized act in the Revolutionary War.

Surely these facts do not discredit the American Revolution as a whole.

[SCDogPapa]

Yes...The old two wrongs make me right argument...

I didn't know I implied that.

I am just curious, in what way was the Indian treated by the Rebel states?

It seems Stainless gave an answer before I could get back. But I will add,,that no one in this country, North or South treated the Indian fairly in the beginning.

[hobbes1]

Nor to this day....

[azhenfud]

Upon that, we all agree very well. My point was that the North was not a lone saint crusader for civil liberties as some would like to have us think of her.

[stand watie]

TRUE!

[stand watie]

we prefer American Indian OR to be identified by tribe.

"native american" is a PC title, thought up by the most extreme, far left, revisionist fools out of the poison-ivy league schools of the northeast.

i know of NO Indian who likes the apellation. NONE!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

my people were generally treated decently by the CSA.

otoh, the damnyankees routinely murdered any Indian who was unlucky enough to be captured by them,wearing rebel uniform.

MY family was slaughtered by the damnyankee army;only a few CSA vets of the family,who were away with the forces at the time, survived the mini-holocaust. the death count was at least 92 civilians.

but of course, no damnyankee wants to talk about THAT!

free dixie,sw

[azhenfud]

Sorry,
I didn't know.
I'll try to do better next time....
Regards,
Az

[SCDogPapa]

"native american" is a PC title

For that my friend,,, I offer and hope for acceptance, a heart felt apology. I know better than that. :(

[x]

Surely these facts do not discredit the American Revolution as a whole.

If the preservation of slavery had been the primary reason for the Revolution, it probably would have. But the colonists had other and more prominent reasons for revolting.

Dunmore's proclamation did apparently inspire Congress or Washington to open the Continental army to blacks, and the issue of slavery was less clear-cut and focused in the Revolution than it was in the Civil War. The possibility of emancipation after the war wasn't wholly excluded. It did happen in some states in the 1780s. It was far less likely that the triumphant Confederates would have taken that path so soon after the war.

BTW, thanks for bringing up this little-known part of our history. Judging by websites, it may be better-known in Canada than here.

[Blessed]

Advocating abolition could get you killed in many areas of the south back then.

You just made that up didn't you?

[Blood of Tyrants]

You are just playing with words. The fact ramains that they were a part of Great Britian until they decided that it was time to sever the political bonds that tied them together.

No matter waht you call it, that is secession.

[Blood of Tyrants]

P.S. Also, they didn't "rebel". They sent a nice polite, well worded letter to inform the king that they would no longer bend their knee to him. The colonies would have been happy to have never fired the first shot but G.B. decided that the colonies were "rebelling".

[capitan_refugio]

Chief Justice Salmon Chase agreed with the argument made by Davis' lawyers, that because the 14th Amendment has been ratified, a political punishment for Davis and other like him had been establised by the people; hence, a trial would represent a form of double jeopardy.

[capitan_refugio]

"Perpetual union" was not in the Constitution, but the phrase "to ourselves and our posterity" is in the Preamble. The desire and sense of lasting permanency is there.

[Arkinsaw]

"Perpetual union" was not in the Constitution, but the phrase "to ourselves and our posterity" is in the Preamble. The desire and sense of lasting permanency is there.

If it said, "to ourselves and our posterity regardless of whether they want it, desire it, or if it has been twisted and abused by the 9th Circuit" then I might think that sentiment was there. In reality, our founders real sentiment was that we should have the government that we choose. They were pretty strong believers in self-determination.