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To: Sabertooth
The economy wasn't sinking in the quarters before the election...

Didn't matter. The press spikes that news so for all practical political purposes, it didn't exist.

The flatness of the economy prior to that was in part due to the first Gulf War, but also in part to Bush's signing of a tax increase in violation of his "read my lips" promise.

Agreed.

The Perot rebellion got it's jumpstart following the primary run of Buchanan, which demonstrated the erosion of Bush's support from 1988. Perot tapped an undercurrent of frustration that was there before and is still here now. Dems have it too...can you say "Naderitis"?

If a politician pursues strategies that lose voters from one election to the next, then that politician has only the mirror to blame. Not unless he picks up more new ones than he loses. Politicians are always looking to solidify their base while picking up swing voters from the other guy. If they lose a few from the fringe, they don't care.

I have a question. What exactly is the definition of a politician "taking my vote for granted" (tmvg)? Does that mean of they don't vote or govern exactly as I would if I were in their place, they are TMVG? Where's the line? 50%? 75%?

405 posted on 06/13/2003 12:31:52 PM PDT by Bob J (Freerepublic.net...where it's always a happening....)
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To: Bob J
Just following up on your post for those that cannot get it through their heads to this day about Perot!

Ross Perot would NEVER have gotten that many votes if we had the Internet back then because the rest of the Country would not listen to the people of Texas about Ross Perot because the word could not get out! What Perot did to Texas Education thanks to Ma Richards, took President George W. Bush to solve when he became Governor.

Perot pulling out of the race and then jumping back in had Clinton fingerprints all over it but the only place I heard it was on San Antonio Talk Radio! And then in 1996, people still voted for the Little General! He had a vendetta against the Bush Family and gave us Clinton even if some people will not admit it. Clinton only got 43% of the vote!

As for Buchanan in 1988, we all see what Buchanan has become today! What happened to his core values when he goes on TV and says Bill Clinton would make a good Mayor like he did yesterday on MSNBC? Tells me he has none!
428 posted on 06/13/2003 3:15:55 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Bob J
Sorry if I'm jumping into a conversation I'm not wanted in but here's an answer from me.

**I have a question. What exactly is the definition of a politician "taking my vote for granted" (tmvg)? Does that mean of they don't vote or govern exactly as I would if I were in their place, they are TMVG? Where's the line? 50%? 75%?**

TMVG is when they run on a certain campaign platform that grabs my attention and makes me want to vote for them then turn around and behave differently in office.

Assault Weapons Ban: While not ideal is not that big a deal cause Bush said he would renew it when he was campaigning.

Pro-life: I have no real beef with. He took a stand on Stem Cell Research it could have been stricter but it's more than we've gotten in a long time. Would like to see something on cloning in the future ^_^.

Partial-Birth Abortion: They did good. I've heard some people say the ban has changed nothing as they can still kill the baby in the womb then take it out. Guess this is what an example of Incrementalism would look like.
Santorum gave a stellar performance ^_^.

Patriot Act: Frightening in the hands of Hillary ~_~* I shudder at the thought. Especially if all those FBI file rumors are true. What should we do about this? I know they need to be able to do better surveillance but orm in his campaign and I thought he would take a stronger stand for him. Still I think this was more the RINO Racicot than anybody else. I've still foamed at the mouth though. I'll probably get over it ~_^.

Israel/Pali: Eeesh! I'm really hoping for the Unfolding of the Bush Doctrine. Watching this as Bush while campaigning did say that Israel is our friend and that he doesn't desert friends which we've seen that before and I think there is more going on behind the scenes than we know.

As long as you don't lie to me on the campaign trial I don't bite to bad. BUT I WON'T EVER VOTE FOR BUD SHUSTER!! JUST FORGET THAT RIGHT NOW!

I'm an Independent ^_^.
585 posted on 06/13/2003 11:38:59 PM PDT by kuma
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To: Bob J
Patriot Act: Frightening in the hands of Hillary ~_~* I shudder at the thought. Especially if all those FBI file rumors are true. What should we do about this? I know they need to be able to do better surveillance but couldn't they make it more Constitutional?

Santorum: A stand up guy who stands with his voters. Bush ran on a pro-family platform in his campaign and I thought he would take a stronger stand for Santorum. Still I think this was more the RINO Racicot than anybody else. I've still foamed at the mouth though. I'll probably get over it ~_^.

Something went horrible with this paragraph. Concern for Patriot and my foaming over Santorum morphed together. I think I hit the INSERT key by accident. Any hoo...
614 posted on 06/14/2003 12:40:25 AM PDT by kuma
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