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Hostage Turncoat?
6/12/03 | nahbi

Posted on 06/12/2003 10:49:51 AM PDT by nahbi

I recently saw a Canadian documentary on the Iranian Hostage Crisis and several of the hostages interviewed mentioned one of their own collaborating with the militant students (i.e. selling out the CIA operative, giving up info on the Marines, etc.). This was mentioned in the book "444 Days" which I read too long ago for my feeble brain to remember. Can anyone provide any further info? Details?? TIA.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: iran; iranhostagecrisis; iranhostages; josephsubic; subic
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1 posted on 06/12/2003 10:49:51 AM PDT by nahbi
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To: nahbi
I do remember comments about one man being ostracized by his fellow hostages for collaborating. These comments were made on the day they were being released and the media showed him sitting alone in a holding room............I don't remember his name but can see his face now, rather thin and smoking a cigarette.......
2 posted on 06/12/2003 11:15:09 AM PDT by OldFriend (Hilary Knew)
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To: nahbi
How many wanna bet that the turncoat was either a) a woman b) a left wing pencil neck
3 posted on 06/12/2003 11:16:12 AM PDT by Norse
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To: nahbi
The person you're thinking of is Joseph Subic, a Marine sergeant, who was taken hostage (at that time he was 23 years old). The Pentagon refused to give him the Meritorious Service Medal that it awarded to the other servicemen who were hostages because other hostages accused Subic of having told the Iranians who the intelligence officers were, gave them secret codes, and told them about the embassy's secret code room.

Army Col. Charles W. Scott said he was tortured for days by the Iranians because "immediately after the takeover Subic accompanied his captors, introducing each hostage and identifying areas of expertise each had"; and specifically that Scott spoke Farsi and had a long career in Iran.

Another ex-hostage, Col. Leland Holland, says that Subic also revealed to the Iranians the secret tapping code that the hostages were using to communicate with each other while they were kept in separate rooms. (UPI, 1/20/85)

The Army also noted that Subic had appeared on a film made by the Iranians in which he criticized US policy in Iran. (AP, 11/4/89).

In 1989, Subic was a law enforcement office with the Florida State Dept of Agriculture.

Shortly after being returned to the US, the Pentagon reported that administrative action against Subic was being considered -- ranging from a reprimand to denial of re-enlistment; I do not know if anything was actually done.

4 posted on 06/12/2003 11:18:13 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: DonQ

Thursday, 10 April 1980 Film released by militants holding U.S. embassy, Tehran, shows hostage Joseph Subic, Jr. confessing that embassy was a "nest of spies"; militants claim to be filiming confessions of 11 other hostages.....


5 posted on 06/12/2003 11:39:55 AM PDT by Wolverine
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To: DonQ
Thanks Don--
Too bad that post-release they couldn't have just left Subic in a room with those he betrayed for a few minutes... "444 Days" was a superb account of the crisis. I believe it's out of print, but I really need to find a used copy.
6 posted on 06/12/2003 11:40:47 AM PDT by nahbi
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To: nahbi
http://www.abebooks.com/home/BOOK_LOFT/
Bookstore in Sedona AZ, $8.00 hardcover.
Told you this site was great.
7 posted on 06/12/2003 12:33:33 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Indeed you are correct, Sir!
Is there any possible worthwhile topic that ISN'T covered here?
8 posted on 06/12/2003 12:41:09 PM PDT by nahbi
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To: DonQ

Hi all. I know this post is rather old but I have been doing a search on Joe Subic for the last couple of months. Please ask why? Because I worked with him in Iraq over the last few months. He bragged all the time about being a prisoner of war in Iran and so on and so forth. It was just recently I found out what a scumbag this guy really was. I actually realized it while working with him but things are really coming to light now.
He is now an Army Reserve Sergeant First Class (E-7) and in the civilian life he is the Chief of Police in White Springs, FL. I mean it folks, the guy is a total scumbag.
He was awarded the Bronze Star behind closed doors just before I left Iraq. never shot a bullet, dodged a bullet or got close enough to the enemy to deserve even a letter of comendation. I guess he had a lot of people fooled.
If anyone has any more on this guy, I would love to see it.


9 posted on 05/28/2005 7:07:20 AM PDT by navyfiveo
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To: DonQ

I know that these are not recent posts, but I would still like to see if anyone has any more info on this man. I heard recently that there is a Canadian film somewhere showing this man pointing out our Soldiers, stating their jobs and encouraging the enemy to shoot them, which he did on this film while Joe Subic watched. I happen to be a resident of the county in which this slime ball is a Chief of Police in one of the towns, he is at this very moment in the FBI Academy in Quantico and is trying to become Chief of Police in our county seat. I am outraged and cannot understand why someone would hire him to wash their dog, much less "Serve and Protect" our citizens.
If anyone has information (other than '444 Days')-that I could get my hands on, I would love to turn it over to the press. He needs to be stopped. Thanks for any and all assistance!


10 posted on 04/22/2006 10:14:47 AM PDT by antisubic
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To: antisubic

Email me at navy_cop09627@yahoo.com
I would like to do what ever it takes to help make sure this guy is NOT elected to any seat in any state.


11 posted on 05/20/2006 1:03:04 PM PDT by navy_cop09627
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To: antisubic
http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1980-4/1980-04-10-ABC-2.html To view this item, you may request that a copy be sent to you through the Archive's videotape loan service. We charge a service fee to help recover the costs. (Tehran, Iran) Staff sergeant Joseph Subic, Junior 15 alleged criticism of President Carter and his comments with regard to intelligence gathering by United States in Iran examined; details given, films shown. 12 other hostages said also making alleged confessions on film. REPORTER: Jerry King (DC) [Voice of Joseph SUBIC, Jr - reads letter.] Subic's participation in Christmas services for hostages recalled; film shown. [SUBIC - addresses visiting clergy.] Subic's background outlined; State Department reaction to "confessions" noted. [Department spokesperson David PASSAGE - comments.] REPORTER: Barrie Dunsmore It's ABC Evening News from 1980.
12 posted on 05/20/2006 7:03:47 PM PDT by PghBaldy (If my ancestors acted like the current crop of "immigrants", you would have to "press 2" for Polish.)
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To: navy_cop09627

I should have directed my post to you too...


13 posted on 05/20/2006 7:05:20 PM PDT by PghBaldy (If my ancestors acted like the current crop of "immigrants", you would have to "press 2" for Polish.)
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I worked with Subic from 2000-2001 when he was in the FLARNG at Camp Blanding, Florida with 3/20th SFG - Support Company. He came there and replaced me as the CI NCOIC. Curious to know what job or position he held in Iraq recnetly? I heard rumors of his involvement in the Iran Hostage Crisis more comonly known as "444 days" and came to know there were people in my national guard unit who didnt want him there because of his "alleged involvement or alleged turncoat activities" while a hostage in Iran back in 1979. I know a couple of high ranking retired Col.'s wanted his ass strung up for his actions as a young E-6 in Iran where his MOS was that of a pencil pusher. He was a desk jockey in Iran. What did he do in Iraq and how long was he over there for. Was he a member of SF Support Company still? If anyone is still interested in this post get Mark Bowdens book "Guests of the Ayatollah" and read it. Great book, very informative and it gives a pretty accurate detailed account of Subic and his actions. I personally had no problems with the guy except that he had no CI experience and had never been trained as a CI guy when he took my place as NCOIC of the CI section (small as it was). Good luck to all of you in your search. I will be following this post since recently reading Bowden's book.


14 posted on 06/07/2006 10:32:11 PM PDT by Tschuss
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To: antisubic
I can verify this information. In fact it was the only reason I left this message.

When I knew him there were serious issues about his background and military history. He also had ethical issues where he worked.

He's spent a life-time trying to fix what he broke.
15 posted on 06/29/2006 4:58:59 PM PDT by Torpex
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To: navyfiveo

Here Ya Go jsubic@whitespringsfl.us


16 posted on 06/29/2006 5:09:24 PM PDT by cmsgop ( DO NOT VOTE FOR PEDRO !!! He's a DEMOCRAT......)
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"There is a sequel to the Subic story that Mr. Bowden missed. At a reunion some years after the hostage release, one of the freed State Department officers sat at a table with Gen. Edward C. "Slick" Meyer, Army chief of staff during the crisis, and writer Wells. Talk got around to Mr. Subic, and Gen. Meyer related that he had wanted to put him before a court martial for his conduct. But "orders from the top," which Gen. Meyer interpreted as meaning President Reagan, were to let the matter drop.
"

Remembering 444 days in Tehran
May 28, 2006

http://washingtontimes.com/books/20060527-111532-9630r_page2.htm

I was wondering of Bowden uncovered this.

By the way Five-O. Our paths have crossed twice now. :) On this topic at least.


17 posted on 06/29/2006 5:33:55 PM PDT by Torpex
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To: Torpex

Hey, I just E-mailed him,Lets all E-Mail Him


18 posted on 06/29/2006 5:36:03 PM PDT by cmsgop ( DO NOT VOTE FOR PEDRO !!! He's a DEMOCRAT......)
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To: cmsgop

He doesn't need to hear from me.

"Chubby and blond, Subic had been working as a clerk at the embassy and began making himself useful to the Iranians on the day of the takeover, leading them around the compound and identifying his bound, blindfolded colleagues by name and job description. Since then he had been allowed special privileges: a telephone, warm clothing, a steady supply of snack foods from the embassy commissary. In return he had helped with things like the Christmas decorations. Hermening had been made Subic's roommate, and Subic had helped convert the young Marine into a more pliable prisoner. "

Another link.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200512/december-1979/3


19 posted on 06/29/2006 5:39:14 PM PDT by Torpex
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To: Torpex
Unbelievable! He needs to be Outed and PROTESTED,No Way This Guy has the Support of his Patrolman
20 posted on 06/29/2006 5:42:37 PM PDT by cmsgop ( DO NOT VOTE FOR PEDRO !!! He's a DEMOCRAT......)
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