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To: mac_truck
I'm more interested in hearing how a champion of individual rights like yourself feels about having the federal government monitoring the health of your unborn child, or perhaps more ominously, making decisions about whether you should have any [or] more children?

And as a defender of individual rights, the child in the womb has just as many rights as the mother carrying him or her. The mother made her decision when she chose to lie down with the father of the unborn child. Are you suggesting that the national government (there hasn't been a federal government by definition for many decades) by 'monitoring' unborn children is condoning the right of the individual to kill another individual?

And considering your abolition group of the 1800s amassed less than 100,000-200,000 people out of a population of 20 million in the north (Abolition Party figures) before the war, I'd say there's no comparison. 99.5% of the people in the north could have cared less about slavery. Are you willing to say the same about the deprivation of a human life?

Secondly, your comparison of Southerners to Nazis was an insult. Nazis killed people indiscriminately, much as the doctors in abortion clinics. Different age of the victim, but a human victim nonetheless. So why don't we just compare abortionists to Nazis? Much closer comparison but not one I will make

As to your original question, it is a decision to be made by the legislatures of the separate and sovereign states since it is not covered under the Constitution. That nasty 10th Amendment. You do remember that Amendment don't you mac?

940 posted on 06/01/2003 3:09:07 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
the child in the womb has just as many rights as the mother carrying him or her

I disagree. The living mother has a natural right to preserve her own life the unborn child does not.

Are you suggesting that the national government by 'monitoring' unborn children is condoning the right of the individual to kill another individual?

No, I'm suggesting a possible outcome that would infringe on other individual rights.

And considering your abolition group of the 1800s amassed less than 100,000-200,000 people out of a population of 20 million in the north (Abolition Party figures) before the war,

I'd suggest there were at least 4,000,000 more people living in the South that could be considered abolitionist as well.

I'd say there's no comparison.

And I've already shown there is.

99.5% of the people in the north could have cared less about slavery.

Thats a false and derogitory claim.

your comparison of Southerners to Nazis was an insult. Nazis killed people indiscriminately, much as the doctors in abortion clinics.

And you have a thin skin (or a guilty concious) my friend. I did not introduce the german national socialist comparison, merely continued the string of analogies. I did not say that southerners were nazis, merely that southern slaves were considered property not human.

As to your original question, it is a decision to be made by the legislatures of the separate and sovereign states since it is not covered under the Constitution.

Murder is not covered under the US Constitution, so it will be left up to each state to decide its definition. Is that your position?

945 posted on 06/01/2003 3:55:33 PM PDT by mac_truck (Ora et Labora)
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