Posted on 05/31/2003 5:02:27 AM PDT by Vinnie
CNN is reporting that Eric Rudolph has been captured in Murphy, North Carolina
I provided your quote in response to your accusations that I'm a liar regarding your anti-2nd Amendment views. Mr. Robinson has removed it after you complained to him that it was off-topic. I've agreed with Mr. Robinson that it was off-topic. Therefore....do not request again that I provide you with your anti-2nd Amendment statements as they are off topic to this thread.
Scanning some of the posts to this whole event leaves some interesting thoughts.
First, anyone of any authority to act or leadership to order action is not posting here. That would include government officials (FBI, BATF, etc.) or those who are opposed (radicals, anti-abortionist leadership). The whole argument is pointless and a waste of time.
Second, the above individuals are only reading and observing.
Third, regarding abortion, a logical argument. Those who support abortion are only eliminating their own posterity or the posterity of those who agree with them. It is a SELF-SOLVING problem. Why argue, fight, kill and maim and end up in trouble in the secular life and hell later over that? Those who believe that abortion is wrong in most cases have posterity and their numbers grow. Over time, those who do not approve of abortion will be the vast majority of people. Better to be quiet and reproduce (a fun task in most cases) and encourage others who are of like mind to reproduce to maximum capacity.
And fourth, your above statement is very inappropriate. First, you seem to make an assertation that individuals actually DID assist Rudolph. I wondered if that might not have been the case (in my earlier post). You are calling for a manhunt...do you have evidence to the effect that someone did help Rudolph? Or, are you making bold statements when you do not know what you're talking about? Such statements only incite anger and more conflict for NO reason.
Finally, fifth, what would Jesus do in this situation? Blow up abortion clinics? Hunt down everyone who voiced support for Rudolph? Kill abortion doctors? Jail christians who cried out against abortionists? Seems he picked up the man's ear off of the ground and put it back on, if I remember correctly...stating that such physical battles were not his purpose for being here. Hope this helps.
And the Southerners who held slaves were Property owners.
To be blunt, I do not believe a female human has a right to kill another alive individual human being because she deems the life of that other individual an inconvenience she isn't willing to take responsibility for. She does have a right of self defense, however.
Is it enslavement to require an individual to be responsible for the lives that individual has brought into existence? If it is finally defined as enslavement, the institutional basis for Western Civilization is in grave danger, for that legitimizing of refuted responsibility is also extendable to the FATHERS of the little ones, and if you doubt it, consider that any court which can force a man to pay child support for eighteen years, for a child that man has neither propagated nor adopted can just as easily relieve men of the responsibility to provide life support for their children. I suppose that's one good reason why the Declaration of Independence cites certain 'unalienable rights, endowed by our Creator, that among these is LIFE, (then)Liberty, (then property, or) the pursuit of happiness.'
Since LIFE is the first listed unalienable right, I'm of the group who believe terminating a pregnancy that threatens the LIFE of the woman is an acceptable authorization for terminating the life support. That is choice, the woman's choice (and she might choose to discuss it with her husband; I have read of cases where the couple discussed it, more because the husband wanted the termination and the mother wasn't convinced yet, and the child actually made it, in some cases, without the pregnancy killing the mother).
A woman must have, in our society--given the founding principles, the right to choose between dying because of a pregnancy or living because of a termination of a threatening pregnancy. She has the right of self-defense when her life in endangered. To extend that right of self-defense to become a 'right of selfish offense' is a gross mutation of our founding principles ... and hiring a serial killer to off an 'unwanted child' already alive in her body, is in fact a 'selfish offense against humanity'.
There is no embryological doubt when an individual's human lifetime begins. There ought be no scientific doubt whom builds the arms and legs, brain and liver of the body that conceived individual human life will use for the remainder of a lifetime begun at conception.
Could the embryonic individual build its own arms, legs, brain, heart, and liver without life support from its Mother (she builds only the blood vessels that bring nutrients to the placental barrier and take away what waste is removed; the Mother's body builds none of the body parts or the space capsule the newly conceived individual built, and maintains)? Not yet, but it will not be long until scientists are able to rpovide the entire gestational process without the individual human being ever being inside another life supporting human body ... the chambers are already under experiemntation for use with higher mammals of great value, like prized bovine sprem providers or prized equine sperm providers, or mammals on the endangered species list.
Being now able to anticipate what is coming very soon from scienitific endeavors, one should ask, 'What will it mean regarding individual human life when the entire process of human reproduction can be conceived and gestated outside the human life supporting host?'
To whom will the individual belong that lives through the artificial gestational process?
What of cloned individuals gestated in such a manner, to whom will their bodies belong, whom has the right to harvest from their nascent life as they build their own body? The answers we afford for the issues we now face, will determine the level of cannibalism we will accept when the 'brave new world' arrives like a humming train, woeing any who will to join the rituals that promise extended life, enforced health.
What if one of your children had inadvertently been caught in a bomb that such a person set off?
As were the northerners that did the same. Comparing Southerners to Nazis? My, haven't heard that one before....
You probably don't think I know much about women either, "Cro-Mag". ; ) (We have gone 'round and 'round on gender issues a couple of times, haven't we?)
I appreciate that this is the most passionate issue for a large number of people here - but may I gently point out that it appears persuasion is not what some of you guys are interested in, and that surprises me.
People won't be won over if you treat them as though their opinion has no value and don't even give them the courtesy of a ping when you're talking about them. Throw in a heap of personal insults, and how do you expect them to respond to your ideas and information you present?
Isn't persuasion your goal?
Cathryn, I pinged you because I think the way you have communicated on this issue should be a model for everyone. To everyone else, I pinged you because you are directly involved in the current exchange - but I am hoping to make everyone consider that the best hope for the pro-life side is persuasion, and this is one issue where I think bludgeoning those who disagree will do nothing to persuade anyone of anything.
Signed,
The Biggest Bludgeoning Offender on FR
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