Mom 'calm' in call to 911 - diaries, Bible sought to shed light on her thoughts, boys' deaths

The Dallas Morning News ^ | May 12, 2003 | By LEE HANCOCK / The Dallas Morning News

[CARepubGal]

Sola Gratia is so much healthier. (sorry Polycarp, just a Calvinist moment). Something about the obsession on the end times (premill, postmill and whatever) triggers folks teetering on the edge of sanity to simply slip off the edge into the abyss. And much as I support the idea of home schooling, some parents cannot handle the job without snapping. Added to the isolation is the difficulty of matching a mentally ill individual with the best regimen of medications and making the person take their meds. When the "give it to God" idea is applied to their situation (by a person with poor judgement to begin with), you get this kind of outcome. I had a friend who was bipolar that just stopped the meds and went natural. She began rapid cycling and the poor kids got the brunt of her rage: she was pagan BTW. When medicated, she was a sweet lady but off her meds, she was just scary.

[ladyinred]

This article seems to speak a lot about her Christianity already. Christians do not do these things because they are believers, they do them because something else is wrong somewhere in their heads.
What a terrible tragedy this is, thank God the little one survived.

[Lijahsbubbe]

Let me say this has been really a great thread. Mainly for the fact that this is how I remember Free Republic to be, (lurking since '99) a good hearty debate and no personal attacks. Seems that lately most threads have someone who just wants to have something demeaning to say.

One thing I wanted to say was, people who are mentally ill, not on any medication, can be severely agitated by discussing God. We were not able to discuss God with a family member of mine who was psychotic, it would just make the psychosis worse. This was very difficult as I come from a family that relies on God. We had to learn to just pray for the person without mentioning God to them. So it can be not necessarily the church doctrine, but just being exposed to spiritual things can affect them.

[dsutah]

Rightly so! My own younger daughter was diagnosed with post-natal depression and anxiety disorders, and she is on medication for it now. She wasn't as severe as this lady or Andrea Yates, but her situation was indeed worrisome. She is rather young; only 22; and she had two little kids in about 2 1/2 years time.

Her older sister had these disorders in her teens. (not maternity related-she has no children yet)But she is almost 26 now, and is doing a lot better. However, she still has to take medications for it.

We're beginning to think now that it runs in the family on my Mom's side. She, (poor thing)didn't have these medications in her younger years, so she drank. When I think of the health problems, and the sad things that happened to her and us from that, if only they had those medications. Thankfully, because of these medicines, she is alcohol-free, and in spite of old-age problems, she does pretty darn good for a lady of 76!

Incidently, some of you might be interested to know that even one of our patriot founding-fathers was married to a lady who suffered from post-natal depression! Patrick Henry's poor wife, whom he'd been married to since they were both in their mid-to-late teens, lost her mind after her last baby was born!

I read in the newspaper a story once about his home. It was mentioned in there that he had to keep his wife in a locked room. He and a servant would come and see her, and take care of her; because in those days, a mental hospital was no place for a lady! He loved her very much, and didn't want to put her there.

They didn't say whether she hurt or killed anyone, just that she had become hard to control. It was really sad!

[godlovesrepublicans]

I do hope this was a sarcastic post, but I doubt it is.
I totally agree with sending her to her maker. No excuse for this. She has forfeited her life.

As for the apology, that was pretty funny. For a nanosecond I thought you were serious.

[HELLRAISER II]

Tell'em about X, anyone that is capable of killing their own child deserves nothing but my scorn & hate and even though I'm not a hateful person I can't help feeling this way. What use is a woman or man that can do this to their own flesh & blood, she deserves the chair in my most humble opinion. By the way your pic's rock.

[HELLRAISER II]

Hate & hateful deeds deserve hate & hateful deeds done back to them. I'm sorry I cannot turn the other cheek to this type of crime, she deserves the chair just like that woman Andrea Yates also deserved to die. But Bleeding heart liberals & Bible thumpers seemed to think she didn't, I feel no sympathy for them. I raised two kids and yes they could drive you nuts at times, but never have I ever hurt my child. You do not hurt the ones you love, period.

[MineralMan]

"She still needs to be locked up in a facility for the criminally insane for the rest of her life, though."

I'm sure she will be. Once she is stabilized on medication, this act will become a horror for her. It's incredibly sad.

[MineralMan]

"Didn't you state recently you are an atheist? Or was that someone else?"

Yes, I am an atheist. That, however, does not mean that I do not understand the Christian scriptures, as well as the scriptures of several other religions. When I use scripture in my messages, it is to make a point regarding the religion of that scripture.

In this particular case, there is much teaching, supposedly in the direct words of Jesus Christ, that says that one must not judge others. Judgment, according to the Bible, is reserved for the deity of that scripture.

One need not be a Christian to quote the Bible.

[MineralMan]

"What I didn't know until reading this thread was that the A of G discourages psychotropic drugs. "

To be more accurate, it is not the Assembly of God overall organization that discourages such use. It is individual ministers who sometimes do that. It's a church-by-church thing. I was not able to ascertain from the web site of the Tyler church what their point of view in this matter is.

[cgk]

I wasn't trying to insinuate anything other than the question I asked. I merely thought I had remembered you saying something about it before, but saw you talking about Christ on the thread, so thought I was mistaken and had confused you with someone else. Which is why I asked you the question.

[Bigg Red]

Okay, thanks for the explanation about the kids. How awful for them. The article states that the father was sleeping.

[kuma]

I could be construed(sp?) as a bible-thumper. However, a murderer is a murderer no judgement passed just the plain truth on the surface.

I do get what your saying though. It's stated in the article that there were NO previous indications of any mental illness. I can conceivably see that this woman could play up such things. Of course in our double-standard society where women are always victims, no one seems to want to hold her responsible for her actions.

Back to blaming the husband again.

[MeekOneGOP]

You're welcomed.

The article states that the father was sleeping.

It sure does. How'd I miss that? Thanks !

[Buzzcook]

"The woman was obviously mentally ill. I suspect she was untreated, though, and that's a darned shame."

Many charismatic or end times christians attribute mental illness to satanic influence. They are also in complete opposition to psycotheropy and medications.
It very well might be the case here.
I sometimes think the fate of Christianity was settled in the 3rd century and the good guys lost.


Buzz