[lewislynn]

You're the one person on the tax threads that has, by far, most discredited themselves. You're the undisputed champion, lewislynn.

Thanks I'll wear that with a badge of honor since not one of you has ever been able to refute any fact I've presented...of course refuting a fact would be an oxymoron wouldn't it.

If you want to see discredited I suggest you re-read your own words from this thread. I posted them once to your cohort but I'll do it again in case someone missed it.

Zon:

With the NRST if a person doesn't want to pay the tax they can choose to not buy the item -- and they can still get a check every month

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It's not a welfare check. It's a way to recover the tax that must be paid on necessities, like food and medicine,

Uh huh, so receiving a tax rebate from the taxpayers for taxes never paid isn't welfare?

And since no person has to report their income to the government the government has no tax incentive to snoop around in a person's private financial affairs.

Gee, the lies and deceit just keep piling on. Were you saying something about discredited? What fool would believe the government would write any law where they lost control of your source of income?...Sorry did I just call you a fool?

`SEC. 903. WAGES TO BE REPORTED TO SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.

`(a) IN GENERAL- Employers shall submit such information to the Social Security Administration as is required by the Social Security Administration to calculate social security benefits under title II of the Social Security Act, including wages paid, in a form prescribed by the Secretary. A copy of the employer submission to the Social Security Administration relating to each employee shall be provided to each employee by the employer.

`(b) WAGES- For purposes of this section, the term `wages' means all cash remuneration for employment (including tips to an employee by third parties provided that the employer or employee maintains records documenting such tips) including self-employment income; except that such term shall not include--

`(1) any insurance benefits received (including death benefits);

`(2) pension or annuity benefits received;

`(3) tips received by an employee over $5,000 per year; and

`(4) benefits received under a government entitlement program (including social security benefits and unemployment compensation benefits).

`(c) SELF-EMPLOYMENT INCOME- For purposes of subsection (b), the term `self-employment income' means gross payments received for taxable property or services minus the sum of--

`(1) gross payments made for taxable property or services (without regard to whether tax was paid pursuant to section 101 on such taxable property or services), and

`(2) wages paid by the self-employed person to employees of the self-employed person.

I've got to stop discrediting myself here.

[Zon]

Thanks I'll wear that with a badge of honor since not one of you has ever been able to refute any fact I've presented 185

Your supposed facts have been refuted more than a hundred times. Not all by one person but several people have refuted several of your supposed facts. That supposed badge you think you're wearing is an illusion.

Zon:

With the NRST if a person doesn't want to pay the tax they can choose to not buy the item -- and they can still get a check every month  157

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It's not a welfare check. It's a way to recover the tax that must be paid on necessities, like food and medicine, 175

Uh huh, so receiving a tax rebate from the taxpayers for taxes never paid isn't welfare? 185

You're so disingenuous. If we were to conduct a poll and asked 1,000 people that have read either H.R. 25 or the fairtax.org Web site whether they think the tax probate check is a welfare check, probably 99% of them would say it's not a welfare check. The purpose of the probate check is to cover the cost of the 23% tax on necessities up to the poverty level. To receive the monthly probate checks the head of house hold must tell the government how many people live in the household. Many wealthy people won't bother to signing up for the probate checks, especially those that value their family's privacy from an intrusive government.

Some very poor people will chose to grow their own food and use the probate check to buy things they can't grow or make. A single person living alone would receive about $70 a month. You can call it a welfare check all you want but the vast majority of people would disagree with you based on the intents and purpose of the probate checks.

Zon: And since no person has to report their income to the government the government has no tax incentive to snoop around in a person's private financial affairs. 157

Gee, the lies and deceit just keep piling on. Were you saying something about discredited? What fool would believe the government would write any law where they lost control of your source of income?...Sorry did I just call you a fool? 185

`SEC. 903. WAGES TO BE REPORTED TO SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.

`(a) IN GENERAL- Employers shall submit such information to the Social Security

Social Security is not a tax. Taxes are revenue the government uses to operate the government and the government services are available to all citizens regardless of whether they pay income tax. Social Security is money that comes back to the person that paid into Social Security. If a person doesn't pay into their Social Security account they can't receive Social Security benefits. That's one point that refutes your supposed fact.

 Employers must submit the equivalent of a W-2 form to the Social Security Administration for each employee. No person has to report that portion of their income to the government for any purposes and certainly not for tax purposes. That's a second point that refutes your supposed fact.

Plus, since income is not taxed the government has no tax incentive to snoop around in any person's financial affairs because the government will not be allowed to tax any person's income.

With the NRST the government doesn't require a person report their income from dividends and interest from investments or other capital gains. That's a third point that refutes your supposed fact.

I could go on but that's three strikes and you're out -- your supposed facts have been thrice refuted.

I've got to stop discrediting myself here.

Three strikes and you're out, and yes, you should stop discrediting yourself.