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U.N. military action against Britain, U.S.?
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 15, 2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 03/14/2003 11:14:12 PM PST by FairOpinion

Americans urge invoking obscure convention to halt 'aggression'

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."

The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City.

In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'"

The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."

"I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said.

Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression."

"But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …"

Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances.

Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work."

"It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said.

'Ways to make U.N. more important'

Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

He had two of his students at the law school research the resolution and now has sent out the word to every U.N. mission in New York.

In addition, about 12 missions a day are being visited by campaigners, he said, and the response has been generally very positive.

He expects there to be support from the 116 countries in the non-aligned movement, who are "already saying inspectors should be given more time."

Greenpeace's involvement has greatly expanded the campaign's reach, he said, since "we're just a small human-rights litigation organization."

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

Sedition?

A circular e-mail letter promoting the campaign said in the first paragraph that "if Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary."

The letter includes Ratner's name and e-mail address as a contact, but he says he did not send out that particular version, which included the line about the U.N. using military action.

A political science professor at the University of Michigan who forwarded the letter to colleagues, added a note above the text, obtained by WND, that said: "Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

"Please make this major peace action a high priority and forward this message to others," said Susan Wright, who indicated she is with the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another. It's not something I would ever recommend."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwar; ratner; sedition; unitednations
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To: FairOpinion
The anti NWO types have been saying this for months now---UN troops are poised to attack America---God help the Albanian soldier standing on my street corner with an AK-74!
41 posted on 03/15/2003 12:03:58 AM PST by Born on the Storm King
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To: way-right-of-center
Actually, I hope it is france, AND I hope they attack. please please please let it be france

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That would give us a great reason to fight back and take over France. Maybe we could give it to the Kurds...
42 posted on 03/15/2003 12:04:02 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
More info on the procedure posted here -

Can You Bypass a U.N. Security Council Veto? (General Assembly "Uniting for Peace" procedure)

43 posted on 03/15/2003 12:06:49 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: Born on the Storm King
God help the Albanian soldier standing on my street corner with an AK-74!

Would the UN troops, not knowing which end the round comes out of, hold an AK-74 the opposite way of an AK-47?

44 posted on 03/15/2003 12:06:52 AM PST by FredZarguna
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To: Torie
"Someone forgot that if the UN goes mad, that the US has a veto too."

Not in this case, for two reasons. First, "Uniting for Peace" is a General Assembly action, which is not subject to a Security Council veto. And second, parties to a dispute in the Security Council are not supposed to be permitted to vote. The US shouldn't actually be allowed to veto a Security Council resolution against toppling Saddam. Of course, it never actually works out that way—in the Suez Crisis, for example, France and Britain went right ahead and vetoed resolutions involving them, because at the end of the day the UN is utterly unable to impose its will on anybody, even when it comes to basic parliamentary procedure within itself.

In any case, this is all meaningless. If Cameroon wants to declare war on the United States, it can go right ahead. If Vanuatu insists on embargoing the US, well, that's its right. If Belize wants to close its borders to US visitors, so be it. And if China or Russia really wanted to rid the world of a few billion in surplus population, they could trigger the Apocalypse with the push of a button. What international "law" may say on the subject is irrelevant, because the ultimate enforcer of that "law" is the United States itself. If a country is prepared to risk our wrath anyway, whether they receive the UN's blessing to do it is immaterial. Our security lies in power, not paper.

45 posted on 03/15/2003 12:07:06 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
Using the French would be unfair. If our troops stand downwind from the French, the smell of the French could be a weapon of mass odor!
46 posted on 03/15/2003 12:07:50 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Fabozz
"Our security lies in power, not paper."

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And we better remember that. Unlike the Democrats who would like to disarm the US. Just brougth to mind Clinton's recent speech about WHEN (not if) we are not the strongest nation on earth.
47 posted on 03/15/2003 12:09:51 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: A CA Guy
Using the French would be unfair. If our troops stand downwind from the French, the smell of the French could be a weapon of mass odor!

This assumes--quite possibly incorrectly--that the French would not actually smell better dead than alive.

48 posted on 03/15/2003 12:11:09 AM PST by FredZarguna
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To: FredZarguna
Using the French would be unfair. If our troops stand downwind from the French, the smell of the French could be a weapon of mass odor!

This assumes--quite possibly incorrectly--that the French would not actually smell better dead than alive.

It also assumes that those cowardly cheese-eating surrender monkeys actually use their own citizens to fight and not hired mercenaries like the French foreign legion.

49 posted on 03/15/2003 12:12:49 AM PST by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: FairOpinion
If the UN/FRance attacked the US, I would like nothing better than to see Chiraq's @ss tried in the all new international criminal court for 12 years of his country's violating UN resoloutions and selling arms/goods to Iraq, and thats just what we KNOW of. He and Kofi Annan, who thinks he is Haille Sellassie (sp?) They should both be booted, and forced to form a new group of nations...The Coalition of the Wusses
50 posted on 03/15/2003 12:13:16 AM PST by way-right-of-center (I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.-- Will Rogers)
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To: zeaal
Where were all of these people when Bill Clinton was dropping bombs? Where were they?

They were cheering for him.

51 posted on 03/15/2003 12:17:20 AM PST by Mark17
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To: FairOpinion
What a hoot! The blue helmet army standing before the combined strength of the US, UK, Spain, and the rest at the border of Iraq, surrounded by human shields, with a few of those cute little white land rovers, holding up a sign saying “Yankee Go Home”. Then we could march right around them, like the Iraqis did when they removed weapons confiscated after the Persian Gulf War while the U.N. guards stood and watched.
52 posted on 03/15/2003 12:19:59 AM PST by apeman81
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To: FairOpinion
But I must say a more serious note that I do believe I will verbally berate the next idiot who calls a twelve year, 17 resolution, six month troop movement a “rush” to war. Good God, is it so easy for these people to spew this garbage without being taken to task on it by any first year journalism student?
53 posted on 03/15/2003 12:24:15 AM PST by apeman81
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To: FairOpinion

Not likely..

The truth, the elephant in the living room is that (shhhhh!) Mao was right!!! (but don't tell anybody..It's our secret)

All political power does come from from the barrel of a gun and the UN doesn't have any.

Now, that's "gun control" I can support. Keeping them disarmed is a good thing.

54 posted on 03/15/2003 12:26:02 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: FairOpinion
Isn't urging the overthrow of our government or our military by force , by a US citizen, pretty close to the definition of treason?
55 posted on 03/15/2003 12:27:02 AM PST by teletech (Can we bomb Saddam, NOW!?)
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To: teletech
I'm not lawyer, but I think treason is giving "aid and comfort" to the enemy

I think encouraging the overthrow ofyour gov't and making harmful statement about them is sedition, but once again, I am a YMCA director, not a lawyer
56 posted on 03/15/2003 12:30:28 AM PST by way-right-of-center (I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.-- Will Rogers)
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To: FairOpinion
It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Can it be accurately called unilateral if it involves two or more sovereign nations? I suppose the allies “unilaterally” opposed the axis, as well.

I guess I should stop. It’s just that the inherent foolishness of the idea, matched with the glaring lack of intellectual honesty keeps me from treating this story with any seriousness.
57 posted on 03/15/2003 12:30:35 AM PST by apeman81
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To: mrsalty
We should learn from the French, when Greenpeace causes you problems (say by monitoring your South Pacific nuke tests) you go to war with them and maybe blow up their ship in a harbor. I think France's Greenpeace War maybe the only one they've won in almost a hundred years.

So when you "also teach at Columbia" you get to have student s do "work" unpaid I assume, for a third party? Nice racket these creeps have going.

Peace (Mir) means an absence of resistence to Communism, so attacking the USA is peaceful and preventing an attack on a Baathist national socialist is peaceful.

Its doublespeak in Orwell's terms - I'd say "unwar" in good Ingsoc (Ingsoc - from 1984, the term meaning the modified English language of Socialism that precludes the conceptualization of resistance, therefore, by extention anything other than peace)

58 posted on 03/15/2003 12:51:12 AM PST by 7o62x39
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To: mrsalty
We should learn from the French, when Greenpeace causes you problems (say by monitoring your South Pacific nuke tests) you go to war with them and maybe blow up their ship in a harbor. I think France's Greenpeace War maybe the only one they've won in almost a hundred years.

So when you "also teach at Columbia" you get to have student s do "work" unpaid I assume, for a third party? Nice racket these creeps have going.

Peace (Mir) means an absence of resistence to Communism, so attacking the USA is peaceful and preventing an attack on a Baathist national socialist is peaceful.

Its doublespeak in Orwell's terms - I'd say "unwar" in good Ingsoc (Ingsoc - from 1984, the term meaning the modified English language of Socialism that precludes the conceptualization of resistance, therefore, by extention anything other than peace)

59 posted on 03/15/2003 12:52:30 AM PST by 7o62x39
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To: way-right-of-center
The cat's out of the bag... the so-called peaceniks believe in peace for every country under the sun except for America and Israel. Waging war on them is OK. When it comes to military action the anti-America crowd is not too disturbed if it used against the one country in the world they can't abide.
60 posted on 03/15/2003 12:56:37 AM PST by goldstategop
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