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Britain 'to play full role in Iraq invasion'
The Daily Telegraph ^ | March 13, 2003 | Neil Tweedie and Michael Smith

Posted on 03/12/2003 5:04:44 PM PST by MadIvan

British commanders insisted yesterday that Britain's 45,000 troops would play a full role in any invasion of Iraq, firmly rejecting suggestions by Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, that the Americans might have to invade alone.


A senior British defence source in the Middle East dismissed the affair as a "storm in a teacup". Anglo-American planning for possible war continued unabated, he said.
"The situation is as it was 24 hours ago," he said. "Nothing has changed. This is a joint operation and the British will be on the start line with the Americans."

Attempts to find a compromise at the UN Security Council were not a sign that Britain's troops might pull out of the main invasion.

It would be extremely difficult to change allied battle plans, which depended heavily on the use of British forces, at the last minute, sources said. It would take longer to make new plans than to wait for the British compromise.

The British are already heavily involved in a number of operations that are under way, providing capabilities that in many cases the United States cannot match.

The SAS is fully integrated into the US Combined Joint Special Operations Force that is operating in and out of western and southern Iraq, carrying out reconnaissance ahead of an invasion.

RAF aircrew who have been patrolling the no-fly zones since 1991 have taken a full part in the escalation of the patrols into what since September has been a de facto air war, destroying Iraqi air defences and communications links.

RAF support aircraft such as the R1 Nimrod signals intelligence aircraft and the TriStar and VC10 tanker planes also play a vital role.

Royal Navy minesweepers, whose capability the US navy does not possess, have also been operating in the northern Gulf for several months.

But more crucially as far as the invasion plans are concerned, the British ground forces are firmly embedded in the force that Gen Tommy Franks will send into Iraq.

The Royal Marines of 3 Commando Brigade are so tightly integrated into the plan that more than 2,000 US Marines will come under the command of Brig Jim Dutton, the brigade's commander.

They are expected to take the Tigris-Euphrates delta area, including the key southern city of Basra and the main Iraqi port at Umm Qasr, which will be crucial to the allied supply operation.

The heavy power of the 116 Challenger 2 tanks of 7th Armoured Brigade under Brig Graham Binns will play a key role in smashing through any initial Iraqi army defences.

The brigade has been massively expanded to around 15,000 men for a key role in the south, where they are expected to come up against the Iraqi 6th Armoured Division, based north of Basra.

The role of the other main British fighting force, 16 Air Assault Brigade, is less clear, with some reports saying it will be used in an airborne assault aimed at securing oilfields south-west of Baghdad.

But delays in the deployment of troops into northern Iraq caused by Ankara's refusal to allow US troops to be based in Turkey could lead to it being diverted north with the US 101st Airborne Division.

Alternatively, the brigade might be held back as a powerful, mobile force that could be sent to reinforce any allied force that encounters heavy resistance.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; iraq; saddam; uk; us
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And there you have it. With you at the first, with you to the last.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/12/2003 5:04:44 PM PST by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 03/12/2003 5:05:34 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
Let's get'em Ivan..
3 posted on 03/12/2003 5:08:12 PM PST by Dog (Courage is being scared to death... and saddling up anyway. ~John Wayne)
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To: MadIvan
Thanks, Ivan! This was an entirely media-driven hysteria and the press should be ashamed of themselves.

Media here have gone into full hysterical mode. I am not paying them any more attention until the war starts.

4 posted on 03/12/2003 5:09:13 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MadIvan
I am ready to fly the Union Jack together with Old Glory on the day of the invasion.
5 posted on 03/12/2003 5:10:40 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Dog
I found this in another article that I didn't want to post because of the title. Anyway; what do you think?

"The members of the Security Council are now faced with a grave choice," Annan said in The Hague on Monday.

"If they fail to agree on a common position and action is taken without the authority of the Security Council, the legitimacy and support for any such action would be seriously impaired," he said.

And in a recent discussion at the Council on Foreign Relations, Anne-Marie Slaughter, dean of Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, agreed. She said eight out of 10 international lawyers would consider a US attack without a new resolution as a violation of international law.

"There's no question that many, many other countries - the majority of other countries and certainly many of our European allies - will not see a unilateral American-led attack as explicitly authorised by the Security Council," she said.

Here's the link

6 posted on 03/12/2003 5:12:39 PM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: ScholarWarrior
*actually has a Union Jack flag* My husband and I toured the Royal Navy submarine HMS Tireless last summer when they were here in port and they gave us a bunch of neat stuff: pens, keychains, stickers, a set of submariners dolphins, and a nice sized Union Jack. Great men serving on that submarine.
7 posted on 03/12/2003 5:13:55 PM PST by Severa (Wife of Freeper Hostel, USN Active Duty Submariner)
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To: Miss Marple
I take the "pledge" but keep falling off the wagon!
8 posted on 03/12/2003 5:14:44 PM PST by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Well, I don't want to have to up my blood pressure medication! I check the news in the morning, and then let my daughter tune to cartoons or HGTV, unless there is an actual event going on.

It's much easier on the nerves, and we will go when we go, so why fret? It's not like PM Blair and President Bush are pouring over our posts to get tips! LOL!

9 posted on 03/12/2003 5:18:26 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: knak
She said eight out of 10 international lawyers would consider a US attack without a new resolution as a violation of international law.

So who cares?

10 posted on 03/12/2003 5:18:54 PM PST by NJJ
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To: MadIvan
Never doubted it for a minute! Thanks, GB!
11 posted on 03/12/2003 5:20:04 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (I heart "New" Europe!)
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To: MEG33
I just got in from work...anything interesting happen??
12 posted on 03/12/2003 5:20:10 PM PST by Dog (Courage is being scared to death... and saddling up anyway. ~John Wayne)
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To: MadIvan
Rummy was trying to give Blair room to move if he needed to. He in no way was implying we didn't need the Brits, he was just trying to relieve the pressure on Blair.

Tony has been a true friend, and I'm sure the Bush administration doesn't want him to lose his position over this. The Brits should recognize this as the ultimate compliment from Rumsfeld.

13 posted on 03/12/2003 5:20:29 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: NJJ
Was just wondering what exactly that meant. I don't care either!
14 posted on 03/12/2003 5:21:35 PM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: knak
Kelly I won't worry about Koffi and his buddies clucking over what we are about to do.

When the UN gets an army....we worry....until then....he can twist in the wind!!

15 posted on 03/12/2003 5:22:11 PM PST by Dog (Courage is being scared to death... and saddling up anyway. ~John Wayne)
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To: MadIvan
Never had a doubt Ivan!

Rumsfeld has finally made my Official Watch List For Goofs, Wierdos and Malcontents.

That guy is way to glib for my taste. Why was he openly discussing dumping the Brits with so little evidence that Tony Blair would have to retreat from his position.

I have a gut feeling Rumsfeld is overcompensating in some regard. Give it time, we'll see.



16 posted on 03/12/2003 5:22:43 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Having France in NATO, is like taking an accordion deer hunting.......)
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To: Dog
I just pray that we take of saddam and fast.
17 posted on 03/12/2003 5:24:35 PM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: Miss Marple
You've destroyed me! You mean they don't make decisions based on my opinion?
18 posted on 03/12/2003 5:24:53 PM PST by MEG33
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To: knak
She said eight out of 10 international lawyers would consider a US attack without a new resolution as a violation of international law.

when they start supplying troops, money and material then their resolution will mean something
Till then Cameroon--Guinea--Chile-- etc etc are meaningless
19 posted on 03/12/2003 5:24:59 PM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: MadIvan
With you at the first, with you to the last.

Thank you for that. I have been hearing that Tony Blair may be in trouble. I am embarrassed by my ignorance but I must ask; can Labor call for a no confidence vote against their own guy? And if they can would they? How likely is this?

20 posted on 03/12/2003 5:26:14 PM PST by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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