Sheep Head Breaks Music Fan's Skull

AP ^ | March 10, 2003

[m18436572]

HA! - And think they were trying not to be sheeple !!!!!!!!!

[a_Turk]

I wan't really a fan.. I did get into the Sex Pistols in the 70s but then went Steely Dan in the 80s..

Maybe 1 in 100000 heard of Dr. Demento in Turkey.. There's a lot of Turkish pop that folks there are into. Ever heard of Tarkan? Probably not..

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

No, my dad is not Alan Dershowitz. My dad was a much better man than Alan Dershowitz.

The point is, Byron, people said the same things about Elvis Presley, Lenny Bruce, and a host of other entertainers - and the world is still turning. Either make it illegal to carve up a dead sheep on stage (you never did answer my question about whether watching a butcher do the same thing would repulse you), or do what I do - stay home.

Who appointed you the authority to dictate to others what legal acts they should or should not see?

[Chad Fairbanks]

I'm not talking about the legalities, madame. I'm talking about the constant affront to decency by people who have no talent, no ability to entertain, and have to instead plumb the depths of sordidness in order to inspire the only emotion they're capable of delivering: revulsion.

I suppose the question I would have to ask you is a simple one: Are you FORCED to watch a legal activity with which you disagree? Are you in any way hurt, or do you suffer any kind of loss, because someone, somewhere is doing something with which you disapprove? What other people do is their own business, and quite frankly as a conservative, all I want is to be left alone - as long as I am not hurting you, or others, what I do is my business and mine alone. Do I agree with carving up dead sheep on stage? No, in fact I think it's rather pathetic. But, it doesn't hurt me, and I'm not gonna lose any sleep tonight because somewhere some no-talent hacks are doing something stupid...

Perhaps -with your world-weary air- this is oh-so-passe, and for Chad, just another opening for some Z-grade yuks.

Ahhh... I know, I'm the ONLY person who thinks this whole thing is amusing. So sue me.

But I beg to differ. I see it as another steep decline on the track, as we slouch towards Gomorrah. Apologists like yourself, who seem to think something's wrong only if it breaches the legal code, are part of the problem.

Well, if youu want to be a self-appointed Morality Policeman, be my guest. Doesn't mean I have to agree with you. I see nothing immoral about carving up a dead sheep - stupid and gimmicky, yes. Immoral? I doubt it...

Where's the outrage? For the Me Generation, it'll come only when they're personally affected, as usual.

Where's the outrage? i determine what I should get outraged about, not you. I'll save my outrage for REAL abuses, thank you very much. I'll be outraged when people are actually harmed in some tangible way, not because their sensibilities are offended...

So I guess we'll wait, 'til your son or grandson, brings a sheep home? Yours in amazement, Byron.

Well, I suppose it would depend on the sheep, I'm thinkin... I mean, is it a white sheep? A Black Sheep? Episcopalian? I mean, even I have standards...

[Chad Fairbanks]

Who appointed you the authority to dictate to others what legal acts they should or should not see?

Apparently, many 'conservatibes' have fallen into the trap - the one where they no longer know how to turn the channel, close a book, or avoid stuff they don't like - someone has to do it for them... pretty scary...

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Apparently, many 'conservatibes' have fallen into the trap - the one where they no longer know how to turn the channel, close a book, or avoid stuff they don't like - someone has to do it for them... pretty scary...

Yes, it is scary. More scary, to me, than some Death Metal band acting stupid in Norway.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..either make it illegal to carve up a dead sheep on stage (you never did answer my question about whether watching a butcher do the same thing would repulse you), or do what I do - stay home. Who appointed you the authority to dictate to others what legal acts they should or should not see?...

That was a self-appointment, my dear. In a moral vacuum one doesn't sit around waiting for someone else to take the lead. Or at least, I don't. And we used kill and butcher our own livestock on the farm, when I was a kid: sheep, cattle, and chickens.

I advise you to go back and read my last reply. I'm not talking about legality, I'm talking about morality. I'm talking about the constant assault on our culture and values by nihilists like 'Blasphemer', and his mates in the band. And I'm *really* surprised to log onto FR, and find someone as well known as yourself saying 'if it's legal, do it.' Guess that's the baby boomers' date-modified version of 'if it feels good, do it'? I say again: your refusal to engage those who degrade your culture, and your retreat behind the facade of 'hey, it's legal', puts you fairly and squarely on the problem side of this issue. Hoping you come to your senses, all the best, By.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..are you FORCED to watch a legal activity with which you disagree?...

EVERY DAMNED DAY.

I'll be back to elaborate, tomorrow. Cheers, By.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me exactly what the 'immoral' part is... Maybe it was in the first set of commandments that Moses smashed? 'Thou shalt not carve up a dead sheep on stage'?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Byron, you miss the point. I don't want you to decide that for me.

Have you no sense of liberty?

Chad asked you what is immoral about carving up a dead sheep. I'd like to hear your answer to that question. I'd also like to know, then, how you are able to justify carving up dead sheep on your own farm. Is the length of the butcher's hair the issue here, or what?

[LanaTurnerOverdrive]

That's nothin.' I once saw a punk band in Boulder, CO called Bunny Ghengis wearing FRESHLY cut deerskins....inside-out, mind you.... as stage clothes. Funny thing is, they all were bitten by ticks and ended up in the hospital with what I believe was Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. Or, some equally hideous tick-spread malady. I can't recall. Damn funny all around though.

Or was it Baldo Rex?....

[HairOfTheDog]

Sounds like there's precious little consciousness involved in this whole disgusting story.

You got that right. I didn't need to know what these guys were doing for fun 'before' the incident with the flying head.

[185JHP]

Great posts in aid of staunch resistance to these beasts. There's a difference between art that shocks because it's different in concept, and offenses against good taste and public decency. I don't know if these metal types know/use the term, but when people were opposing the NEA-funded trash "art", it came out that the "artists" called producing their filth "boob bumping." The idea behind the effrontery was to shock and offend.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

"Bunny Ghengis" - LOL

[HairOfTheDog]

Oh man.... You guys are on the gross side of this one!

This one is a 12. Yuck.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

LOL! Well, I didn't say I'd go see it - I just want to make those kinds of decisions for myself. I also want to know why carving up a dead sheep is "immoral" in one context, but not in another.

[Chad Fairbanks]

if there is one thing I think 99% of those 'metal types' believe in, is Freedom - freedom from those who would dictate exactly what we can and cannot see, read, hear, say etc... So many so-called 'conservatives' piss and moan when liberals force political correctness down our throats, then turn around and do the same thing by claiming 'it's immoral!'... and yet, I'm still waiting to hear exactly what was immoral about carving up a dead animal...

[HairOfTheDog]

I would want to know how it died.

I don't see a lot of performance art in bringing a carcass out on stage already dead. (properly put down with humane medications of course) If that were entertaining, people would be buying tickets to watch a butcher package meat.

So I don't think it would have much aritistic 'pizazz' unless they killed it on stage for entertainment, and yes, actually, I find that immoral.

And I find the people who find it to be entertaining to watch an animal cut up on stage to be equally immoral. Creatures may be just animals, and may sometimes be our food, but that does not make it moral to treat them cruelly for our amusement. Our superior power over them brings with it 'responsibility'. As all power does.

And I have to say "people have always complained about rock bands who push the envelope" comparing this to the Beatles having long hair is the first time I have seen the 'positive aspects of the slippery slope' in an argument.

Your FRiend,

Hair. (Call me when it is funny!)

[Chad Fairbanks]

The 'gross side'? Nah... I'm on the freedom side... ;0)

Many people on this site have this unnerving fear that someone somewhere is doing something they don't like, and they won't rest until it stops... I'm not gonna lose any sleep tnight just because some idiot is carving up a dead animal as part of a stage show, and some idiots actually paid to see it... Honestly, other than the fact that it IS gross, I just don't see what the big deal is...

Butchering of dead animals has been a part of human culture for generations... only recently have our children been shielded from that kind of activity...

[Chad Fairbanks]

So I don't think it would have much aritistic 'pizazz' unless they killed it on stage for entertainment, and yes, actually, I find that immoral.

if they had killed it onstage, I'd have a whole different take on it... but doesn't appear to be the case...