[Museum Twenty]

Let me ask: Does it really matter what the UN says? All they can do is make noise, anyway. Let them think what they wish.

You know, we know, that, if we can achieve the desired conclusion without the US/UK/Australia losing soldiers, the real credit goes to W and his adminstration.

I'll gladly let the UN take all the credit they want in exchange for the safety of the troops, the comfort of their families, and the conclusion we desire.

There is a saying "There is no limit to what you can acccomplish if you let others take the credit."

I think W is enough of a man, and of a statesman, to allow others to take credit for his victory.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

I think W is enough of a man, and of a statesman, to allow others to take credit for his victory.

Except that this would not victory. Iraqi would simply be trading one corrupt brutal master for another. And the US would be blamed.

No. No. No. We have done it the UN way before. It has always ended up a mess. Take a look at North Korea. Never again.

[frei_staat]

What gets my attention to this is that our military wouldn't get bogged down in the administration, care and feeding of Iraq. That, to me, is more of a concern than prosecuting the war. With US forces not pinned to Iraq, at least four divisions are free to point at the next event.

While there are the models of post-war Germany and Japan, and to some extent S.Korea, I think there is a significant difference to post-war Iraq controlled by the US. At the end of the WWII, most, if not all, of the countries surrounding Germany and Japan were also war torn and destitute. Also, the Allies had liberated most of those countries surrounding Germany and Japan-even those cheese eating surrender monkeys were grateful at the time.

But a post-war Iraq, under US administration, would be surrounded by countries that are not destitute (per se), not war torn and, above all, not so very friendly to the US.

So, let the UN exercise administrative control and give Hans unfettered access to anywhere in the country. And in doing so, make damn sure that every news organization in the world is there to chronical the caches of "non-existant" WMD as well as record the horror stories of the Iraqis people.

But one stipulation should be that the US has military basing rights in Iraq.

I agree that Dubya will let whomever wants, have the credit but at the end of the day we know it was his resolve and that of Tony Blair which forced the rest of the world into action.