Iraq Scraps Missiles, Turkey Rejects U.S. Troops

Reuters ^ | March 1, 2003 | Nadim Ladki

[ought-six]

Bush went against his better judgment and tried to go along with the doves in his administration, and got himself bushwacked by the U.N. Too much time and diplomatic capital has now been wasted. Cheney and Wolfowiz (spelling?) warned him not to involve the U.N., as they very well knew what would happen (hell, EVERYONE knew what would happen, especially the U.N.: The U.N. planned on sabotaging the war effort from Day One!). The time to have attacked, at the latest, was this very weekend (ideally, we should have attacked NLT the beginning of February). Now, if we don't move within the next week it's all over, as we will have lost the initiative, and likely any support we may have had up to this point. Personally, I am surprised Bush let himself get ambushed like this. I thought he was made of sterner stuff.

[Leclair10]

ought-six boy you guys from DU never cease to amaze us

[Leclair10]

then why should he even run again, why suffer the same fate as his father theres just so many republians who could win the presidency(lol)

[livius]

Good posts, both of you.

One thing that leaves me quite puzzled, however, is why we decided at such a late date that we needed Turkey anyway. If we were supposedly ready to go last fall - without Turkey - why did we suddenly decide a couple of months ago that we needed Turkey so desperately?

BTW, whatever the ramifications of this for us, I think Turkey is going to live to regret it. They have a very active hard-line Marxist movement and a very active fundamentalist Islamic movement, both of which they have worked hard to supppress. But to a certain extent, by their action today, they have rejected the Westernized, moderate direction they seemed to be taking. So now it seems to me that the existing government might be much more vulnerable to a grab by one or the other - or both - of these factions.

[gilor]

ought-six boy you guys from DU never cease to amaze us

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/site/user-posts?id=100295

Doesn't look like a DUer to me.

[templar]

They didn't even wait for the second paragraph to slip in the lie.

If the U.N. inspectors weren't watching, who was? Is the U.N. just ignoring the destruction and doing something else while it goes on? I should think they would have insisted on being present.

[templar]

Re: #5

I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to have the same thoughts. Saddam's taking a different course of action this time and is playing the international public opinion game. Since he is gaining support domestically and internationally, and Bush is losing it, I'd say he's playing a better game. Bush better do something soon, or he'll be in an awfully akward position if and when he attacks Iraq. And when (if) he does, he's gotta win very quickly (which I believe he can if he doesn't hold anything back).

[templar]

...you guys from DU never cease to amaze us

Out of curiosity, what seems to qualify ought-six as DU material? Seems to me like he's really hawkish against Iraq, opposed to UN, etc. Kinda opposite of what I expect from DU people. Just curious about your analysis of his post, maybe you're more astute than I.

[Amerigomag]

who was?

According to reports only Saddam. The UN had to verify the claims.

[Capitalism2003]

Someone please tell me we are eliminating the 15 billion $$$ aid package we planned to send Turkey...ungrateful ****s should not expect any help from us now.

[solo gringo]

I would tell the turks to get real.They can take the money and help or they can shove it.You can kick a lots of a$$ for 26Bil.Come in from the south and sweep Iraq like the floor.

[meema]

bump

[ought-six]

You mentioned that you thought I was hawkish. Let's just say that I am an Air Force veteran (Vietnam) and my religion is America and my bible is the U.S. Constitution. I support just and righteous wars to protect America and its allies. I have no use for the majority of the "peace protesters" because most of them are clueless (only going along for the ride because they think its "cool") and the whole movement is basically set up by a bunch of leftist extremists. I respect TRUE peace activists who oppose war in all its facets (the Amish, the Quakers, and the like), although I do not agree with them. The protesters we see today (and their ilk that were a cancer back in the 60s and 70s) are worthless socialists and Marxists and anti-Americans, who only oppose wars fought by America and the capitalist West, but do not oppose wars of the totalitarian states. Oh, one other thing, and maybe I'm a dolt, but what the hell is DU?

[templar]

Oh, one other thing, and maybe I'm a dolt, but what the hell is DU?

Democratic underground.A leftist site that tries to pretend it's the liberal version of FreeRepublic. Visit it and get an idea what liberals actually think, but keep you time down to only a few minutes to avoid extreme nausea, high blood pressure, and other adverse side effects. You didn't seem the DU sort to me, which is why I questioned your being called that in another post.

[ought-six]

LOL! So that's what DU is! Rest assured, I have more honor and integrity than to associate myself with such bottom feeders. The Dems have been completely co-opted by the leftist extremists at NOW, NEA, VPC, and a host of other alphabet tyrannies. The Dems religion is socialism and its sacrament is abortion. One only need look at the Dems slavish adoration of Political Correctness to see they are first and foremost for speech control, thought control, and the various other oppressions they so eagerly embrace. The Founders of this country would be ready for another revolution if they saw the modern Democratic Party and its anti-American agenda.