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From Manhattan to Baghdad: One enemy, one war, one outcome.
The National Review ^ | February 21, 2003 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/23/2003 7:15:37 PM PST by yonif

The monotonous inquiries of the critics resound: "What does Iraq have to do with al Qaeda?" "First Afghanistan, now Iraq — what next?" "Isn't Bush's war endless?" "Aren't we diverting our attention from the war on terrorism?"

On the eve of war with Iraq, we should remember that such uncertainty about enemies, allies, aims, and the scope and duration of wars is typical. That al Qaeda does not meet us with tanks and planes on the field of battle does not mean we do not know whom we are fighting and where and how we should do it.

We speak of the "Persian Wars" of 490 and 480/79. But only later did Herodotus and the Greeks look back on the defeat of Darius I at Marathon (490) and Xerxes at Salamis (480) as related events in one overarching campaign. In retrospect, they saw that these battles were not isolated victories over various Persian kings with different agendas, but, in fact, all part of a ten-year struggle to free Greece from Persian despotism.

Thucydides wrote of a single, long Peloponnesian War. Most of his contemporaries probably disagreed. Plague, 21 sieges, two major hoplite battles, half a dozen sea fights, five invasions of Attica, far-off campaigns, helot insurrection, revolutions from the Ionian to the Aegean seas — how was all that terror and tyranny connected?

So many at the time thought that the Archidamian War, the Peace of Nicias, the Sicilian War, the Pachean War, and the Ionian War were all discrete events. Had all the fighting really been a war of Athens against Sparta — or, at times, Athens against Thebes — and against Sicily, the Peloponnesian States, and Persia? Did the terrorists on Corcyra have anything to do with the Athenian fleet or the Spartan army?

By contrast, Thucydides in a fit of genius understood that a single conflict involved a single theme — radical democratic imperialism pitted against conservative oligarchy. And in his view such fighting went on in a variety of confusing contexts and landscapes until one side capitulated — as Athens in fact did 27 years later. He didn't care much who joined in or where the conflict flared up and died down — only that it was one terrible war "like none other." Whether waged in Sicily, the Black Sea, the western Peloponnese, or outside the walls of Athens, it ended only when the reason for war — Sparta's "fear" of a grasping Athenian empire — no longer existed.

So wars are not only difficult for their participants to envision as simple events; the combatants are not always so easily distinguishable. Britain and America — but not Russia — fought Japan for most of the Second World War. Germany, under a non-aggression pact with Russia, fought England, and only later was defeated with the help of Russia and America. There was no more synchronism between Germany and Japan than among the present Axis of Evil. Russia never invaded Italy. Nor did Germany send troops to the Pacific, nor Japan to Europe. Guadalcanal was part of the same war, as was Stalingrad — just as Anzio was connected to the capture of Copenhagen, jungle fighting in Burma, and Hiroshima. If all that is not true, then we are wrong now grandly to speak of a "World War II" — a single conflict that combines the Pacific and European theaters, unified by a common struggle against fascism in its various manifestations in Germany, Italy, and Japan, and started on September 1, 1939, June 22, 1941, and December 7, 1941.

Before we criticize President Bush for "diverting attention" away from the war against al Qaeda, we should pause and at least grant that historians may envision it in quite a different way. It is just as likely that at some future date we will come to see that the war on terror for the United States started on September 11 with the murder of 3,000 Americans and the destruction of our planes and iconic buildings in New York and Washington. Then the war moved on to a variety of other theaters in Afghanistan and Iraq — and anywhere else the Islamo-fascists and their sponsors of terror operated or received aid.

"The Taliban War" (October-November 2001) was fought to destroy the Afghan sanctuary of bin Laden and remove the Taliban. It was waged simultaneously with the more insidious and stealthy "War on Terrorism" (September 12 through the present) conducted by police and intelligence operatives to stamp out al Qaeda cells in Europe, Asia, and the U.S.

A third, concomitant "Iraqi War" with additional enemies is a further effort to destroy an historical patron of terrorism and his cachés of deadly weapons that either have gone or will go to terrorists. Saddam's defeat will end the possibility that his oil-fueled supply of deadly weapons will fall into the hands of al Qaeda and its epigones. His end will isolate and cut off al Qaeda operatives in Kurdistan; it will rid Baghdad of enemies like Abu Abbas (and the ghost of Abu Nidal) as well as various al Qaeda visitors; it will stop bonuses for the suicide-killers of Hamas and Hezbollah (who embrace the same modus operandi and similar religious extremism as the 9/11 killers); and it will send a powerful message to states like Iran and Saudi Arabia that subsidizing terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans is a very dangerous thing to do.

Just as Italian fascists, Japanese militarists, and German Nazis saw commonalities in their efforts to spread right-wing nationalist rule, so Islamic radicals seek to end Western global influence in similar ways — either through the establishment of Islamic republics in the Gulf and other oil-producing countries or loose alliances of convenience with tyrannies like those in Syria, Libya, or Iraq, which can be cajoled, blackmailed, or openly joined with in ad hoc efforts to destroy a hated West.

Fascist states and radical Islamists, in fact, exhibit affinities that go well beyond sporadic and murky ties between such governments and fundamentalist terrorist groups. For one, in a post-Soviet Union world, they all seek weapons of mass destruction to be used as intercontinental blackmail as a way of weakening Western resolve and curtailing an American presence abroad.

For another, their common ideological enemy is liberal democracy — specifically its global promotion of freedom, individualism, capitalism, gender equity, religious diversity, and secularism that undermines both Islamic fundamentalism in the cultural sense, and politically makes it more difficult for tyrants to rule over complacent and ignorant populations. Third, our various enemies share an eerie modus operandi as well: Al Qaeda terrorists blew themselves up killing Americans; and so do terrorists on the West Bank — and so does Saddam Hussein send bounties to the families of such killers.

Nihilism — whether torching oil fields, gassing civilians, crashing airplanes, desecrating shrines, toppling towers, or creating oil slicks — is another telltale symptom of our enemies, as is the perversion of Islam, whether illustrated in bin Laden's crackpot communiqués, the rantings of Hezbollah and Hamas to extend theocracy and kill infidels, or Saddam Hussein's ugly nouveau minarets and holy books written with his own blood.

Muslims from the Middle East are not per se the enemy, but rather those renegade Muslims who use the cover of Islam to rally support for their self-serving politics. After all, without the bogeymen of Zionism and the Great Satan they would have to explain to their own dispossessed why Cairo is poorer than Tel Aviv, why heart surgery is done in London and not Damascus, or why so many Arabs seem to seek out Detroit rather than Baghdad.

Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, bin Laden, Hezbollah, and others — they all talk in apocalyptic tones about Western decadence, the inability of Americans to take casualties, the need to destroy Israel, and the moral superiority of Islam. They all sprinkle here and there crazy references to crusaders, colonists, infidels, and jihad. They have all fought and killed Americans in the past, and brag that they will do so in the future — whether referring to cooked-up "victories" at "the mother of all battles" or the trenches and caves of Tora Bora.

Their real gripe is that the world is passing them all by — whether we speak in noble terms of the benefactions of globalization such as high-tech medicine and the respect that freedom conveys to the individual, or more the crass schlock of Michael Jackson's globally broadcasted sins and the addiction of video games. The millions of the Islamic world are at last trying to taste some of this far faster than their mullahs and dictators can stop them. So in the warped minds of terrorists and strongmen it is either to blow up a skyscraper or to blackmail the West with germs — or to see the slow strangulation of Islamic fundamentalism and Arab tyrannies through the advent of globalized freedom.

Are we, then, confronted with a clash of civilizations? Not really, but rather the tottering of the last impediments to the reform of the Arab world before it joins the world of nations, and embraces freedom and tolerance, which alone can provide it with security and prosperity. While there are hundreds of thousands of terrorists and state fascists in almost every Arab government, hundreds of millions of more ordinary citizens are watching this war to see who will win and what the ultimate settlement will consist of. Many, perhaps the majority, may for the moment have their hearts with bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, but their minds ultimately will convince them to join the victors and a promising future, rather than the losers and a bleak past.

The jailing of al Qaeda, the end of the Taliban, and the destruction of Saddam's clique will convince the Arab world that it is not wise or safe to practice jihad as it has been practiced since 1979. Killing American diplomats, blowing up Marines in their sleep, flattening embassies, attacking warships, and toppling buildings will not only not work but bring on a war so terrible that the very thought of the consequences from another 9/11 would be too horrific to contemplate.

Taking on all at once Germany, Japan, and Italy — diverse enemies all — did not require the weeding out of all the fascists and their supporters in Mexico, Argentina, Eastern Europe, and the Arab world. Instead, those in jackboots and armbands worldwide quietly stowed all their emblems away as organized fascism died on the vine once the roots were torn out in Berlin, Rome, and Tokyo. So too will the terrorists, once their sanctuaries and capital shrivel up — as is happening as we speak.

Since 1979 we have been caught in a classic bellum interuptum that could not be resolved through mediation and appeasement, but only — as we saw in 9/11 — made worse. Wars do not end with truces nor do they start because of accidents or miscommunications. They break out when one side has aggressive aims and advances grievances — whether real or perceived — and feels there is nothing to deter it. And conflicts end for good with either victory or defeat. Although we may not see it now, we really are in one war against one enemy — and since we started fighting it on September 12 we are, in fact, winning and will soon be nearing the end.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hanson; hussein; iraq; israel; saddam; saddamhussein; usa; war; waronterrorism
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1 posted on 02/23/2003 7:15:37 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Their demands are non-negotiable.
2 posted on 02/23/2003 7:20:31 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: yonif
Excellent article by a distinguished historian, of whom there are very few today.
3 posted on 02/23/2003 7:23:52 PM PST by Cicero
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To: yonif
Awesome essay, I truly appreciate the historial perspective. We tend to view things within our own limited scope of, say, a lifetime..
4 posted on 02/23/2003 7:27:12 PM PST by Paradox
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To: yonif
A good general orientation essay. At this point there isn't a decision of Europe First or Japan First. Hope it stays that way.
5 posted on 02/23/2003 7:28:58 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: yonif
Taking on all at once Germany, Japan, and Italy — diverse enemies all — did not require the weeding out of all the fascists and their supporters in Mexico, Argentina, Eastern Europe, and the Arab world. Instead, those in jackboots and armbands worldwide quietly stowed all their emblems away as organized fascism died on the vine once the roots were torn out in Berlin, Rome, and Tokyo. So too will the terrorists, once their sanctuaries and capital shrivel up — as is happening as we speak.

Vic Hanson -- intellectual ninja. One of his best yet.

8 posted on 02/23/2003 7:44:08 PM PST by mikenola
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To: SJackson; Yehuda
Ping.
9 posted on 02/23/2003 7:52:45 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
All in time my pretty all in time.
10 posted on 02/23/2003 7:56:31 PM PST by noutopia
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To: Badabing Badaboom
I say Syria.
12 posted on 02/23/2003 8:00:57 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Good essay. Complaining that there is no direct link between Iraq and 9/11 is like saying we shouldn't have fought Hitler because he had no direct role in Pearl Harbor. For too long America treated terrorism as though it was mere criminality, in which individuals, not organizations and the states that aid, abet and sponsor them were to be held accountable. About 20 years ago Col. Robert K. Brown pointed out this is the equivelent of indicting the pilots at Pearl Harbor and sending a formal request for extradition to the Japanese Government. Fortunately Bush is now treating terrorism as what is always was, warfare. Too bad it took 3,000+ dead Americans to make it happen.
13 posted on 02/23/2003 8:10:23 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Badabing Badaboom
After Iraq, Iran will fall on it's own. We will have to do very little there. The students are ready and willing to make that country free right now. As to Syria, I have a feeling that Bassar will be hinding under his bed after next week.

Our president knows what he's doing. Iraq is the keystone and removing that keystone will cause the entire structure to change. Radical Islam will be gone within 10 years and you'll find a happy and prosperous people inhabiting the middle east.

14 posted on 02/23/2003 8:16:54 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: yonif
I would point out that the author of this article is wrong when he speaks of Hitler as right-wing. He was not. Nationalism alone does not mean that he was right wing. Nazism was a leftist socialist movement, although his particular brand of socialism highlighted anti-semitism/racism and nationalism; anti-semitism, because that was in the roots of socialism/Marxism, and nationalism, because he thought that his brand of nationalism would bind the Germanic people together against the patriotism of the bourgois capitalists, whom he hated, and replace their Christianity, which he also despised.

15 posted on 02/23/2003 8:58:45 PM PST by FirstTomato (If I think of a tagline, you all will be the first to know!)
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To: yonif; snopercod; joanie-f; brityank; tangofox; Covenantor; mommadooo3
What the heck is going on?

Says the author:

"Taking on all at once Germany, Japan, and Italy &emdash; diverse enemies all &emdash; did not require the weeding out of all the fascists and their supporters in Mexico, Argentina, Eastern Europe, and the Arab world."

Misrepresentation --- the author's use of "the weeding out of all the fascsists" --- he submits as an allegedly impractical task that would have been wasteful of our resources. He submits that, given the relatively more ominous military size of the major opponents, that to "weed out" the lesser forces of fascism at the same time, would have been questionably productive. Thereupon, he believes that now, we must not fuss over what to do with the "backwater" areas.

He's got it wrong; in fact, the Allies did operate against fascists in all the listed regions, and did try to weed them out by "direct action."

We know all too well, that the Soviets were entirely ruthless against the fascists, exterminating them and their supporters in Eastern Europe.

Elsewhere, the United States was operating against fascists in Central and South America as early as 1938. The United States was operating against the Japanese upon Japan's invasion of Chinese territory in the early 1930s. U.S. Naval and U.S. Army intelligence missions began in earnest, then, and the discoveries, as well as the threats to our operatives, were much more than what has been seen at the movies.

The British secret services operated in the Western Hemisphere against fascists in both North and South American, prior to World War II, not to mention practically everywhere else.

In the current state of world affairs, the primary, belligerent fascists of the Axis, are: North Korea, Cuba, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Saudi Arabia, with Pakistan and Red China being "undecided." None of them have small cells which pose lesser threats to the United States, and thereby may "enjoy" lesser rank as "backwater" theatres of operations "unworthy" of our immediate "attention."

The money behind the attacks on the United States, came from Saudi Arabia. The major weapons support comes from Red China, Cuba, and North Korea. The primary training grounds for terrorists, are: Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya and portions of Central Africa, Syria, Indonesia, the Philippines, southern Mexico, Cuba, and North Korea.

Teams from the current Allies, including the French Foreign Legion, fought against Libyan troops and Cuban "advisors" in areas south and west of Egypt in 1988, in an attempt to stem the expansion of the Cuban, Red Chinese, and Libyan Axis then spreading southward.

The modern generation of JSTARS was used there, and by the way, it was not "first used" in the Gulf War. JSTARS is not new technology; it is quite old.

Do not be so surprised to find that American and Cuban relations suddenly develop a chill. Fidel is entirely responsible for the exploding, communist revolutionary action in Venezuala. The reason Mexico is giving us so much grief, is because it is trying to appease Fidel, who has decided to go out in a blaze of glory, instead of just fading away in the humidity.

The Philippines, and not Taiwan, are at the top of the list of targets relished by Red China. And because of this (and there, it does have to do with oil), there are "Muslim terrorists" now on the offensive "over there."

The largest bodies of non-African armed forces in all of Africa, are from Red China, North Korea, and Cuba.

The Red Chinese are conducting military exercises in the Caribbean Sea, south and southeast of Florida.

From the perspective of our enemies, we appear to have our hands full. They certainly percieve themselves to be a serious threat, and from all directions.

So I am not all that comfortable with the self-assurances that we are going to be picking and choosing our fights.

16 posted on 02/23/2003 9:04:32 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: FirstTomato
Thanks for your reply. I read the "Hitler was right wing" part of the article and I knew Nazism came from the LEFT but couldn't formulate exactly why.

You did so most excellently!
17 posted on 02/23/2003 9:09:45 PM PST by enough
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To: yonif
This is a test, can you pick the right answer?
In the 1973 Olympics in Munich, 11 Israeli Athletes were massacred by:

(a) Fonzie & Potsy
(b) Martin & Lewis
(c) Ozzie & Harriet
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Norwegians from Oslo
(b) Ronald Reagan
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A pizza delivery boy
(b) Crazed feminists complaining that being
able to throw a grenade beyond its own burst radius
was an unfair and sexist requirement in basic training
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.


In 1985, the Italian cruise ship, Achilles Lauro, was hijacked by:

(a) The religious Right
(b) Bill O'Reilly
(c) White Anglo-Saxon Protestants
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.


In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

(a) Luca Bratze, for not being given a part in "Godfather 2;"
(b) Republican National Chairman
(c) Butch and Sundance who had a few sticks of dynamite
left over from the train mission;
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



In Feb. 1993, 6 people were killed, and 1000+ injured when the World Trade
Center in NY was bombed by:

(a) Richard Nixon
(b) Mayor Koch
(c) Disgruntld AARP Menbers
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.


In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

(a) Bob Dornan
(b) Mr. Rogers
(c) Hillary, trying to distract attention from Wild Bill's women
problems
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.


In Oct. 2000, 17 innocent sailors were killed when the USS Cole was attacked
by:
(a) The Pope
(b) The World Wrestling Federation promoting its next villain: "Mustapha the
Merciless"
(c) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd.
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.


On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and over 3,000 innocent killed
people by:
(a) Newt Gingrich
(b) The Florida Supreme Court trying to out-do their attempted hijacking of
the 2000 Presidential election
(c) Mr. Bean
(d) Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

Nope...............No patterns anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!

Somehow pressure needs to be put on government and officials to crack down
on those who wish to destroy us, our freedoms and everything we stand for.
These people have no other job, life means nothing to them and dying for
their cause is an honor. These fanatically extremists spend every waking
hour contemplating how to ruin America and bring her to her knees.
Their dedication and obsession is unprecidented in history.
Our immigration laws must be tightened and monitored. Now that the FBI and
other agencies vow to revamp in order to combat terrorism - this is the time
to actively voice our opinions as free Americans

This is not a time to be too politically correct ....
Your life may depend on it. This is not meant to preach but rather to
outline the undisputable series of events that clearly emphasize what course
we must take before the second 9/11 hits our shores.


18 posted on 02/23/2003 9:15:05 PM PST by BellStar
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To: yonif
Victor Davis Hanson is one smart fella! I so much enjoy all his books and every article he writes.
19 posted on 02/23/2003 9:24:48 PM PST by WaterDragon (Playing possum doesn't work against nukes.)
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To: yonif
I may be wrong, but I believe the first attack by the American Army on the enemy in WWII was on the French in North Africa. What the blazes did Africa have to do with Pearl Harbor, much less the French? The French surrender to Gen Mark Clark (again, from memory).
20 posted on 02/23/2003 10:14:35 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt
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