Are British Muslims Planning Surprise Terror Attack in the UK?

BushCountry.org ^ | 02/16/03 | Jeremy Reynalds

[MrBambaLaMamba]

The best way to end war and ensure peace is to kill the enemy.

[MarMema]

come and enlighten us.

[Selous]

I would dearly love to successfully rebut your assertions.

Sadly, I cannot for they are true. We have become a nation of weak, sick appeasers ( most but NOT all of us )as yesterdays demonstrations and todays slavish media coverage of them testifies.

All I can say to my US friends is GO AMERICA! GO!!
No more UN resolutions, no more remit for further Iraqi prevarications. No more waiting in vain for a diseased Europe to show any vestige of support.

Just GO now. Strike without further warning.

[Norman Arbuthnot]

The Prince of Wales is a strange fellow, that's for sure.

[Fusion]

The Islamic entente plans to strike Great Britain with a massive attack designed to collapse the nation as an effective factor in World War III. A pair of "positioning" attacks followed by massive primary strikes against government and financial centres -- are designed to spark a Muslim fifth columnist uprising that will destroy the United Kingdom as a functioning geo-political entity.

Some four hundred Eastern Holy Warriors -- veterans of campaigns in Chechnya, Kashmir, and the Balkans -- infiltrated into Britain since last Autumn's successful weapons smuggling operation. Almost two tonnes of weapons -- assault rifles, grenades, light mortars, and ammunition in place for the military element of this assault. When the go signal is activated, these urban warfare specialists prepared to fight a Tet offensive style battle in London and other major cities in a spectacular bid to win World War III by effectively knocking Great Britain out of the fight before the US can launch her ground attack versus Iraq.

Senior al-Qaeda operatives' conversations picked up by electronic eavesdropping speaking of "an explosion that will be felt as far away as Paris..." Intelligence officials believe they have pinpointed this primary strike to be against London and of a nature that will destroy much of the city's financial district.

The recent UK alert concerning al-Qaeda using MANPADS missile attacks against Western airliners seen as one of the two "positioning" attacks in the intial phase of this classic Eastern "stretch and break" assault programme. To a certain dgree it is now the Islamic entente controlling tempo on the batlefield as they are able to maneuver the limited British Homeland Security capability along pre-designated avenues. Combined with the strain on law enforcement resources during the weekend's massive peace march, these past hundred hours of alert status have substantially weakened the UK defensive perimeter as it has been forced to expand.

Dry is good and wind is better...

It is not the battalion of Eastern Holy Warriors British intelligence must now be concerned about. Fighting in 25-30 kampfgruppen -- much as the NVA and Vietcong did in 1968 -- these suicide fighters will kill ten times their number against unarmed civilians before ultimately being neutralised by the military or succeeding in their quest to launch the revolt and subsequent civil war. Either way they are not the primary threat -- that will of course be the WMD strike that, if successful, will level much of London.

It seems unlikely the Islamic entente will use "Allah's suitcase" as the WMD element in this attack. The intelligence chatter picked up keeps referring to "London burning forever" which intelligence officials have interpreted as massive conventional explosions contaminated -- not with radioactive so-called "dirty bomb" elements -- but some kind of incendiary booster/breeder.

And yes, Tony Blair tracks the wind direction and velocity every day in his morning briefing. His meteorologist the Prime Minister's modern day equivalent of a fourtenth century tea leaf reader...

The Islamic entente battle plan is quite sound as Britain is both the most critical and the weakest link in the American coalition against Iraq. This attack designed not simply to kill and terrorise, but to alter the strategic balance of World War III and effect a decision for the outgunned side. If for any reason the US attack on Iraq is prevented -- either by left wing peaceniks or the Islamic entente counter-assault -- it will be a devastating blow to the United States. The strongest card in the deck for the West remains the modern day Bismarck -- George W Bush. This man -- the 21st century's greatest statesman -- will not permit the US attack to be derailed by events under his control. However events now rapidly spiralling out of his reach. The president must advance the timetable of the US attack to the early am (Baghdad time) March 1st as outlined in the "Hasty Mobilisation" scenario now on his desk.

To wait until mid or late March to attack is to give the opposition sufficient time to win the war and humble the West with this stunning coup de main. It also means London will probably be destroyed and thousands of innocent Brits wiped out. Hopefully when Americans turn on their evening news on Friday February 28 they are greeted by Rather, Jennings, and Brokaw announcing "The war has begun..."

Otherwise the entire world may end up watching the Islamic entente rampage through London live on CNN and Sky News as the West is beaten once again by General Giap's classic strategy. As the American pianist Billy Joel once put it, "Dien Bien Phu falls -- rock around the clock..."

May the Christian god have mercy on the UK...

The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.

[wonders]

Any comments on the BND memo? link

[Norman Arbuthnot]

Wow, that's a pretty scary scenario. Frankly, it sounds a bit fantastic, but post 9/11 I don't totally dismiss things like this. I can't say that I would want to trade places with anyone living in London right now and I live in Manhattan.

If I were Blair I would have at least one or two battalions of light infantry and one battalion of mech infantry ready to help the London Police.

[Ranger]

see fusion's comments on this thread.

[CedarDave]

Jeremy was born in Britian and became a US citizen in 1998. He is a Christian who runs the homeless shelter as a Christian ministry. If you click on the link, you will see that the shelter is in financial distress and could use any help it can get. Albuquerque has one of the highest rates of drug-related crime in the country, and the shelter offers help to those addicted to drugs and alcohol as well as to the homeless. If you can help out with a donation, I'm sure it would be appreciated.

Joy Junction

[spitz]

Seeing as it’s all speculation on your part, let me add my speculative response.

Incensed and in a fit of violent rage, large segments of the British public take matters into their own hands and turn on local muslim communities. They react with slaughter and destruction on a scale never seen before on the shores of Britain, within 72 hours hundreds of thousands of muslims succumb to a furious onslaught, mosques lay in smouldering ruins, the mullahs lie within. Easily profiled the muslims made a fundamental error in judgement, unlike their IRA contemporaries they do not blend in with the majority of the British public and, as successive Whitehouse administrations sought the ‘Irish’ vote by tempering a British response to the IRA, the muslims do not have the luxury of Washington’s support. Ultimately, as their leaders preached terrorism, the ordinary muslims eventually pay a severe price for their own complicity and a reluctance to censure the mullahs. For the 40,000 British dead the call goes out to kill them all, some 400,000 muslims pay the ultimate sacrifice.

The muslims inner city locality, once a religious and cultural sanctuary for them, now becomes their Waterloo. From without, vigilante groups seek to take their revenge for the murder of their fellow citizens, from within some muslims turn on their own. The SAS and SBS counter terrorism ‘bricks’ activate, operating on standing orders they initiate a classic ‘Keeni Meeni’ campaign to eliminate known and suspected muslim terrorists in their own neighbourhoods, 14th Int’l operates with complete impunity to extract information by any means deemed necessary.

Illegal firearms dealers sell their stocks within 12 hours, loyalist groups in Northern Ireland reactivate, and the guns point in the direction of the muslim communities. Fearing the worst some British groups begin to distribute HME’s which have been prepared and readied beforehand, the pipe and nail bombs are used indiscriminately against groups of people, residential properties and soft targets.

Caught by surprise by the intensity of the backlash, the government mobilise the Territorial Army and Regular Reserve, many more ex-servicemen volunteer to re-enlist. Too little too late, the damage to the muslim community is already done. Smaller groups like North Cornwall’s 33 registered muslims succumb to the 80,500 majority, Bradfords 75,000 muslims suffer serious loses and are forced to barricade streets to protect themselves from the constant day and night attacks from the vigilante groups. Under extreme pressure to retaliate for London, the government orders HMS Victorious and HMS Vengeance re-armed, each with a full compliment of 195 warheads, and take-up position in the Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean respectively.

Across the western world similar scenarios are played out, dreading a replay of the U.K.’s circumstances, citizens in the U.S.A, Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain and Italy strike first. Muslim communities in the west are sent reeling and are unable to recover the trust that was once given freely. Weeks later mass expulsions of muslims are in full swing, the door to the west shuts forever on muslim immigration.

The forces of the west shift. Mecca crumbles.

[Incorrigible]

Ha! Those were my thoughts to Spitz.

Though it would be horrific if Fusion's prophecy were to come true, I don't think he gets the reaction right.

Your description of the West's reaction to an Islamic Entente bombing in London is absolutely correct.  It would only further the West's resolve to defeat the Jihadists and the Useful Idiots would would be joining the brick throwing crowd.

[tonycavanagh]

re Useless country Useless govt. imo

I will forgo my usual well informed and extremely factual reply rebutting your drivel because imvio it will probably go over your head.

Cheers Tony

[tonycavanagh]

re : We have become a nation of weak, sick appeasers .

Speak for your self, and don’t crawl to the yanks, when I am not in uniform serving Britain I am usually to be found on this site giving short shrift to yanks like joestffymygut.

Are you in uniform if not don’t slag of my country.

Cheers Tony

[tonycavanagh]

I bugger of for a years training come back to this site to find the weirdoes are still here spouting the same bloody drivel.

The sky is falling the sky is falling.

Hello Wonder you havent fallen under his spell have you. Fusion has been spouting this crap for ages, and seems to have a anti British thing going.

The forces of reality check are moving Tony’s back on FR again, well for a while.

[cibco]

You were reporting, at this time last year, about the coming spring offensive and (positioning and detention) of Allah's Suitcase in Moscow by summer. What happened?

Did the suitcase get lost at baggage check in? Was it stolen?

[Norman Arbuthnot]

I find the scenario that Fusion painted somewhat farfetched on the whole, but there are certain elements of it that don't seem all that implausible to me.

I think the UK should be very concerned about a mass casualty attack and the City of London would be an obvious target. Tony Blair seems to think that this type of attack is a real possibilty. I'm sure the intel he receives keeps him awake some nights.

I have heard estimates of as many as 200+ members of Al Qaeda in New York City, so it wouldn't be surprised if twice that number were in London because of the large muslim population in that city. Although the gun laws in the UK are much more restrictive than those in the US criminals in the UK seem to be able get their hands on weapons easily enough. That is why I think it would be wise to have military units ready to respond to any large scale attack. I know that London has a large police force (25,000 PO's), but I get the impression that it has relatively few heavily armed officers. I think a clandestine attack involving a small group of terrorists employing some type of WMD is much more likely than a massive assault involving hundreds of armed warriors, but the latter can't be totally discounted either IMO.

I disagree with Fusion about the public reaction to such an attack. I think a large scale multi-pronged attack might indeed produce a large number of casualities, but that would not break the spirit of the British people. On the contray, I think most of the people in the UK would be galvanized to fight. I think that the islamic communties in the UK would pay a severe price and the terrorists would come to rue the day they decided to attack the British mainland.

[wonders]

I'm sure the intel he receives keeps him awake some nights.

I don't claim to by psychic or super-perceptive or anything of that sort, but just looking into Tony's eyes lately leads me to believe he knows something it's not easy to know. And to think I used to disparage the guy as "Bubba Junior." Nowadays I think something very dark gave him quite a start, turned him toward the light and grew him a backbone.

[Fusion]

I think your analysis of Tony Blair's recent resolve is right on the mark. The Prime Minister well aware of what's on the horizon for the UK and he is responding in Churchill-like fashion to the 21st century appeasers that have forgotten the lessons of World War II in just three score years.

Blair's aggressive moves have been right on the mark so far but he cannot allow his security apparat to relax and lower their guard. He must continue to authorise increased arrest and detention powers to law enforcement while preparing to put the military into the streets in force.

(By the way, it is good to see Tony C back in this space. I seem to recall he was but a wee laddie during the Falklands show, but no doubt he has been well trained by the veterans of Goose Green and Port Stanly for the coming fight. Should the Islamic entente strike in his sector I am sure he will be a credit to his regiment -- and perhaps even subsequently mentioned in despatches...)

The Islamic entente plan is very sound and -- if I may be so bold -- a brilliant triumph of non-linear thinking. The assault programme provides the anti-Western forces a legitimate opportunity to win World War III with a military defeat -- just as General Giap did in 1968. It really doesn't matter whether the British citizens rise up and kill every Muslim in the UK in a spectacular burst of revenge or stay cowering in their homes -- they are not a factor in the geo-political realities of this current equation.

A WMD strike on London sends a clear and chilling signal to France and Germany and the others sitting on the fence: If you get involved you get burned -- stay home and count your euros and be assured your oil import quotas will be maintained. The argument that the Islamic entente risks alienating their support in the peace movement by attacking the UK is the logic of overpaid bureaucrats/fools who have risen much too far above their effective station.

The strike on the UK is designed to split the Western coalition along its most fragile fault lines. The images of London burning and Islamic entente gunmen fighting pitched battles block by block in the heart of London will send much of the Islamic world into beserker status. Not only will the UK be paralysed by an Islamic fifth column uprising -- but Muslim radicals around the world will feel empowered to launch rogue attacks against soft Western targets resulting in a self-sustaining escalation of the fight.

The pressure on the US to stand down following this attack will be extraordinary -- this is the only hope the Islamic entente has of halting the US strike on Iraq. That is why president Bush must advance the American launch timetable...

Finally, you mention something "very dark" giving Blair a start. I'm sure you are well read enough to know about the difficult decision Churchill faced concerning Coventry in 1940. If not, I would advise you or anyone else who is concerned to learn what is now recognised as the truth about the German attack there and why it succeeded.

Yes, Tony Blair acting like Churchill in more heart-breaking ways than one -- he knows the score...

May the Christian god have mercy on the UK...

The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.

[spitz]

Fusion's prophecy relies the collapse of society through bombing the British into submission, and that’s where it fails and calls into doubt the rest of the assumptions he makes. For instance the Luftwaffe failed using the same tactics in 1941, as did the USA in North Vietnam, if Fusion assumes that the British public will capitulate in short order to a bombing campaign - he’s wrong.

By comparison, at the end of 1941 the Luftwaffe had dropped 36,000 bombs on Britain killing 40,000 people (the number in Fusion’s prophecy) they lost 2,400 planes and crew in the process, and galvanised the British resolve to resist, that was not the effect they hoped for. The most frustrating thing for the ‘ordinary man on the street’ must have been the lack of opportunity to strike back, with 400 or 4,000 terrorists on the ground those ordinary folk won’t remain ordinary for very long. Not only would the terrorists pay, but so would the communities that harbour them, add to that these ordinary people will not be hamstrung by the political niceties of the PC west, then the pay back will be vicious and uncompromising.

As for a dirty bomb, well it would cause death, destruction and economic chaos, but it still doesn’t match the blinding flash of destruction you get from the real thing and we’ve got them.

[Incorrigible]

Let me add that I'm happy to see you posting again as well Tony.  I appreciate your defense of the UK and still think you should simply post a common reply as a thread and then link to that thread when you need to slap down some of the UK bashers.

It's very funny to see Fusion patronizing you given everything we know about Mr. D!