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Right to bear arms is not absolute
Denver Post ^ | 2-16-03 | State Sen. Ken Gordon

Posted on 02/16/2003 12:44:49 AM PST by Pat Bateman

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To: Pat Bateman
I now live in Colorado, moved here when I was 2 from Norfolk Virginia where my family has lived since the early 1600's. As far as the right to bear arms being a guaranteed right, that's exactly what our fore fathers wanted, none of this liberal BS. We don't want idiots telling us how to run our lives and the only way to live in freedom is to have the gun to be able to take back your freedom in the event a group of idiots decide they need to run your life. The communist party is behind all of this anti-gun propaganda and the democratic party is the bastion for these communists. The next time you vote democrat just remember that you are supporting the very people who helped to kill your relatives in Korea and Vietnam.
181 posted on 02/17/2003 7:22:34 AM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: thisiskubrick
If we held the three perps accountable for their actions and actually punished other idiots who abused this society the problem would go away. The Jefferson County Sheriff's department had 2 years to disarm dillon and kleebold and didnt' do it. If they Jeffco Sheriff's department would have gotten off their asses the whole thing wouldn't have happened and your would be opening your pie hole that is full of horse pie.
182 posted on 02/17/2003 7:30:31 AM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: Mr. Bungle
Is that why a man their killed an intruder with a Samarai sword? He must have felt pretty safe there down under with you buddy!
183 posted on 02/17/2003 7:31:37 AM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: SevenDaysInMay; Travis McGee
"Rule 308 section 223 paragraph 22 through 45, and 50 say the opposite."

Thanks gents for helping me to understand the rules. I took a minute, but now it's clear.

184 posted on 02/17/2003 7:41:29 AM PST by Badray (End the slave tax. Abolish the IRS)
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To: Badray
Nothing says "hello" like sending air mail.
185 posted on 02/17/2003 7:50:00 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
This has been a great thread. I've learned a lot today. Thanks again.
186 posted on 02/17/2003 8:16:39 AM PST by Badray (End the slave tax. Abolish the IRS)
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To: Badray; Pat Bateman
Thank Pat Bateman; I'm just strap hanging on HIS thread!
187 posted on 02/17/2003 8:19:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah, but it is mostly from you that I am learning. As I always do.
188 posted on 02/17/2003 8:43:56 AM PST by Badray (End the slave tax. Abolish the IRS)
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To: sneakypete
The FAA may lift the ban on carrying on board, but the airline ultimately has the right to set policy, it's a private enterprise, and should the airline decide that no one carries you are left with the choice of leavin your gun, or flying someone else.

In the old west, saloons did the same thing...at least in the movies anyway.
189 posted on 02/17/2003 9:26:08 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: thisiskubrick
"Yeah right! It was instigated by two young gun-nuts in training,"

I never saw any evidence that they were gun nuts. As I remember it, they were punk and nazi nuts. Their parents and the school didn't notice that, just as you don't. Now you and the school blame inanimate objects, other folks and Freedom for your failure to comprehend the reality of the situation.

Your failure to observe and comprehend is why you folks insist on using the least common denominator approach to everything, then attacking, demonizing and pushing for legal controls on everything. No I'm not exaggerating, you people want to control everything in everyone's life on the basis of the least common denominator principle and your predisposition to control everything.

BTW, McVeigh wasn't an NRA member.

190 posted on 02/17/2003 9:28:36 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Pat Bateman
bump
191 posted on 02/17/2003 9:30:11 AM PST by chuknospam
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To: sneakypete
Now ask yourself this,if gun control has made us "safer",why did the hijackings only start after GCA-68 was enacted?

Ummm..because hijackers perfer unarmed passengers?

Please don't mis-understand me. I'm as pro-gun as you'll find. This Senator is a blight upon the ass of humanity. His understanding of our constitution is demonstrated by his ridiculous rhetorical question. I wanted to illustrate his stupidity by asking another rhetorical question.

To all my pro-gun, pro-CCW Freeper friends, if you pray please add Nebraska to your prayer list as we're trying to legalize CCW here with the passage of legislation - LB265. It actually looks pretty positive at this point, but these are after all, politicians.

192 posted on 02/17/2003 9:35:18 AM PST by Hat-Trick
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To: sneakypete
"They didn't because they wanted a easy target where there was nobody in a position to fight back or stop them."

That's the real reason for gun control. There is no other.

Kubrick conveniently leaves out the fact that the kid's old man failed to challenge the kid for having a pipe bomb factory in his bedroom, along with various kinky posters.

193 posted on 02/17/2003 9:44:29 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Travis McGee; Jeff Head
All the article tells us is that there's no point in debate with statist criminals like this.

We'll settle this and many other questions in the next American Civil War.
194 posted on 02/17/2003 12:02:24 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: ancient_geezer
Unconcealed carry is not only a personal but an unconditional right as well.

Indeed, but as the Trinen case showed, the state alleals court and the state supreme court uphold laws banning same in Denver. Citizens cannot carry open and concealed permits are not issued in the most dangerous city in Colorado.

We need to fix our courts.

195 posted on 02/17/2003 1:24:50 PM PST by MileHi
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To: thisiskubrick
Columbine was instigated and enabled by great thinkers such as yourself.

Your reply:Yeah right! It was instigated by two young gun-nuts in training, just as the OK bombing was done by a proud member of the NRA.

Klebold and Harris had no training other than a lot of video games and a few episodes of shooting at cans out in the hills, while they were planning their massacre. Klebold's parents were gun-control nuts and big contributors to the Democrat party.

Contrary to the media spin, Klebold and Harris were pro-clinton, anti-Republican, anti-Christian, anti-conservative. This was obvious from the insane ramblings on Harris' personal website pages, which were copied and circulated prior to being removed from public sight. It is also obvious from the fact that the student fatalities centered in the library, and were comprised of eleven Christians and one Jew, all quiet, well-mannered, and studious. The media twisted the story to make it appear the targets were jocks, which was blatently untrue.

Harris and Klebold were sick, twisted, products of the leftist anti-everything-decent agenda. They had no connections to law-abiding gun owners, and their behavior was representative only of the nihlist leftists, who twisted the story to their own political benefit.

You can google search for "columbine" and "freerepublic" and find the many threads where this information was gathered and posted along with the media spin.

196 posted on 02/17/2003 2:16:43 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The FAA may lift the ban on carrying on board,

Right. And if cows had wings we'd all run around wearing helmets.

but the airline ultimately has the right to set policy, it's a private enterprise,

HorseHillary. The airlines are all servants to the FAA,who has the absolute authority to put them out of business any time they want by denying them the right to take off or land at any airport. About the only thing the airlines are allowed to make a decision on is when to go bankrupt. They aren't even allowed to decide where they can or can not fly without FAA approval.

and should the airline decide that no one carries you are left with the choice of leavin your gun, or flying someone else.

You might as well have written,"Once up a time...",because the feral gooberment ain't going to allow them to do squat.

197 posted on 02/17/2003 2:55:45 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Hat-Trick
I wanted to illustrate his stupidity by asking another rhetorical question.

I knew what you were doing,I was just adding my own comments.

198 posted on 02/17/2003 2:58:24 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: spunkets
Kubrick conveniently leaves out the fact that the kid's old man failed to challenge the kid for having a pipe bomb factory in his bedroom, along with various kinky posters.

The kinky posters aren't too unusual. After all,he was a teenager. You would think the bomb factory would be a good first clue that things weren't going well,wouldn't you?

199 posted on 02/17/2003 3:00:36 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Yes, the bomb factory should have caused the showing of a few more inches of eyeball. The other stuff just indicates where the kid's mind is at. They were celebrating hitler's birthday, not the Bill of Rights, or even an aniversary of the grand opening of the local shooting range.

It's a combination. Before I was a teenager I had a bomb factory. Kid's like fireworks and it was legal. The old man just cautioned to use paper, not glass, so no one would get hurt. I also had a strong love of Freedom and an extreme dislike(hatred) for nazis , communists and criminals. This kid's old man was an airhead and so was his teachers for ignoring his school presentations.

200 posted on 02/17/2003 3:22:39 PM PST by spunkets
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