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[CSU politician] Glos calls for overthrow of Schroeder
Der Spiegel ^ | 11 February 2003

Posted on 02/11/2003 7:04:13 AM PST by tictoc

Berlin - "I feel they have to go, no matter what the price, as long as it's done democratically," said Michael Glos, who heads the CSU (Christian Social Union, the Bavarian sister party of the Christian Democratic Union - tictoc) delegation in Germany's Bundestag (national parliament - tictoc). The cleanest way to do this, said Glos, was an early election. Volker Kauder, the parliamentary deputy whip for the CDU, said that no federal government had ever been in such a catastrophic foreign-policy position.

Volker Rühe, a CDU politician with foreign-policy expertise, warned that NATO might break apart. This was a real risk, Rühe told tabloid newspaper Bildzeitung. "When an alliance partner such as Turkey feels threatened but planning for protective measures is prevented within NATO, the very core of a military alliance is called into question," said Rühe, who heads the external relations committee of the Bundestag; Rühe served as Germany's defense minister in the previous CDU administration under chancellor Helmut Kohl.

FDP chairman (FDP = Free Democratic Party: economic liberals - tictoc) Guido Westerwelle warned that Germany faced isolation. "We need a German verbal disarmament within the alliance, or we will be completely shunted aside internationally," said Westerwelle on NDR TV. Pointing to the foreign policy of the Red/Green government, he said: "It will be years before the destruction wrought by the government can be repaired even partway."

General Klaus Naumann, a former chairman of NATO's military committee, accused the federal government of having betrayed Turkey. "Germany, Belgium and France are taking an axe to the roots of NATO. For no good reason, they are blocking plans to protect Turkey, an alliance partner," Naumann told Bildzeitung. The move was even more inexplicable, said Naumann, because the issue was not whether to send troops, but only to prepare plans. An agreement to planning did not constitute a commitment, said the general. "For 40 years, Germany's security depended on NATO planning for the defense of Germany against a Soviet attack. How would we Germans have responded if Iceland had exercised a veto?"

Four-star general Gerhard Schmückle (ret.) likewise rejected the stance taken by the three countries. "Together with France and Belgium, chancellor Schröder has severely damaged NATO. They still think that they can prevent war on Iraq, a war which in my opinion is already a certainty", said Schmückle.


TOPICS: Germany
KEYWORDS: germany; glos; nato; schroeder
Translation (c) tictoc
1 posted on 02/11/2003 7:04:13 AM PST by tictoc
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To: tictoc
I read somewhere that the Thatcher-like head of the opposition ( I can't remember her name) said something like ( regarding the WSJ letter) "had we been in power, we would have signed it." Is she as good as she sounds?
2 posted on 02/11/2003 7:08:14 AM PST by ken5050
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To: tictoc
Looks like Schroeder may be on the same ticking clock as Iraq. Bet if elections were held in Germany today on Schroeder, he would be history!

That will leave the French holding the bag!
3 posted on 02/11/2003 7:09:13 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: ken5050
Calling Angela Merkel "Thatcher-like" is a stretch.

Her fame rests largely on the fact that following the election loss in 1998 and revelations of shady dealings in the CDU's election financing, she was the first of the CDU bigwigs to make it brutally clear that Helmut Kohl's time had passed, which took some courage at the time.

She is from East Germany, where the CDU is weak. An important concept in German politics is Hausmacht, the notion that a politician needs to have a powerful base in her home state in order to be influential on the national stage.

Her home state is Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where the SPD (Social Democratic Party; "Red") has held power since reunification.

She does occasionally talk rational economic sense, but in the UK - to use a European comparison - she would not be considered a conservative.

Certainly she isn't a union buster like Margaret Thatcher, and she seems to lack the fire in the belly to put Gerhard Schroeder's putrid head in a vise and turn up the pressure until it explodes.

Nor is there anyone else in German politics of the caliber of Thatcher.

4 posted on 02/11/2003 7:18:04 AM PST by tictoc (Michael81Dus for chancellor)
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To: tictoc
thanks tictoc.
5 posted on 02/11/2003 7:23:51 AM PST by bert
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To: Michael81Dus
Ping
6 posted on 02/11/2003 7:36:41 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate
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To: tictoc
Thanks for the info..great stuff...BTWE, the comparison to Maggie Thatcher wasn't mine...I think it was one of the National review columnists......still, considering that 25%+ of former East Germans still vote Communist, I'd say the lady has grown some.....

If you haven't already done so elsewhere, would you care to opine as to whether or not the Ger gov't survives, and what you think will be the outcome of this mess between the US and Germany..and oh yeah, is there a web site where I can place a bid on a former, yet in excellent condition, US base?

7 posted on 02/11/2003 7:38:06 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050
would you care to opine as to whether or not the Ger gov't survives

There are two ways to remove them from power. The quickest way is a vote of no confidence in parliament, where Red/Green holds a slim majority. Only seven Red/Green parliament members would have to defect, how hard can that be? I say do whatever it takes. Sometimes politics is dirty business. Unfortunately the CDU is too pusillanimous to resort to blackmail and bribery.

and what you think will be the outcome of this mess between the US and Germany

It just keeps going from bad to worse, doesn't it?

..and oh yeah, is there a web site where I can place a bid on a former, yet in excellent condition, US base?

Send $500,000 to Fliegbeinacht Redevelopment Corp., c/o tictoc. Everything will be taken care of.

8 posted on 02/11/2003 7:47:41 AM PST by tictoc (Michael81Dus for chancellor)
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To: tictoc
Do you take Visa?
9 posted on 02/11/2003 7:48:54 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050
Gold ingots preferred.
10 posted on 02/11/2003 7:50:29 AM PST by tictoc (Michael81Dus for chancellor)
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To: tictoc
Nor is there anyone else in German politics of the caliber of Thatcher.

Well, to be fair, there are precious few of Lady Thatcher's caliber anywhere. Sadly.

11 posted on 02/11/2003 7:57:08 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: tictoc
nice to see you on here again, missed you
12 posted on 02/11/2003 12:02:15 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: americanbychoice
Hi abc,

Pleased to see you as well.

Did you see my translation of the Drewermann interview in Der Spiegel, and the poll results?
13 posted on 02/11/2003 12:04:39 PM PST by tictoc (Michael81Dus for chancellor)
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To: tictoc
yes. thx Did you see the english op-ed of the proposed EU constitution? It makes it very clear what the "narcissist" schroeder and Chirac are doing. They want to take over the EU without firing a shot. If this is pushed by those two, there will be 4-5 countries left in the EU next year. Incredible
14 posted on 02/11/2003 12:09:22 PM PST by americanbychoice
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