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Texas State Income Tax 'On the Table' as Austin Goes After Robin Hood School Funding Scheme
Lubbock, TX, Avalanche-Journal ^ | 02-04-03 | AP

Posted on 02/04/2003 5:23:04 AM PST by Theodore R.

State income tax 'on the table' as Austin goes after Robin Hood Associated Press

AUSTIN (AP) — A state property tax and state income tax are among the many options lawmakers must consider to make good on promises to fix the ailing Robin Hood school finance system, House Education Chairman Kent Grusen dorf said Monday.

"We have to put everything on the table," said Grusendorf, R-Arlington.

The acknowledgment comes when politicians from Gov. Rick Perry to state lawmakers continue to make no new taxes pledges along with vows to improve the school finance system.

"We've got to talk about tax restructuring," Grusendorf said. "Most experts agree that a permanent solution cannot happen without having tax restructuring."

Tax restructuring is a term used by some politicians to describe changes to state tax laws, which prohibit a state property or state income tax.

Public schools in Texas are funded primarily with local property taxes and state and federal money. The school finance system takes money from property rich districts and gives it to poorer schools.

Schools in low-income areas have bought computers, books and new buildings with Robin Hood money — $600 million in the last two-year budget, a figure expected to ap proach $900 million by 2004.

Still, many poor schools say they lag behind and need more money to provide a basic education.

The state's 118 wealthier districts that have given up $1.5 billion are also pleading poverty. Many have raised local property-tax rates to the legal limit, making it hard to get more money. They say that Robin Hood is forcing them to cut programs and jobs.

Southern Methodist University professor of economics Kathy Hayes said Grusendorf has a good point, but one that may be politically tough to make.

"We need to do something. Eliminating Robin Hood is probably a good idea and in order to properly finance public education, we need to change our taxing system," Hayes said. "That would be a very difficult thing, I think, from a politican's point of view, to try to convince people."

Craig Foster of the Austin-based Equity Center, which represents hundreds of low-wealth school districts, said he hopes no-new-tax-pledging law makers are careful not to do away with Robin Hood without a better idea.

Otherwise, children in poor schools could be hurt, he said.

"If their goal was to maintain the same degree of equity by doing it with something other than Robin Hood then they would absolutely have to do something significant with regard to taxes," Foster said.

Grusendorf was reluctant to speculate about specific solutions to Robin Hood, saying he wants to first hear from all sides of the issue during the session. He'll get started Tuesday when the House Public Education Committee has scheduled its first meeting.

The committee plans to work on a bill filed by Grusendorf and Sen. Florence Shapiro, R-Plano, that would do away with Robin Hood in 2005. It mirrors legislation filed in December by Rep. Craig Eiland, D-Galveston, who said he wanted to force this Legislature to come up with a fix.

Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who has made school finance a top priority for the Senate, agreed Monday that education revenue needs to come from a source other than local property taxes.

However, he stressed, "I don't see that an income tax is...a possibility.'


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KEYWORDS: education; funding; incometax; legislature; tx
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February 3, 1959, was "the day the music died" for Texas. If and when a state income tax becomes law in Texas, that will go down in history as "the day the Republican party died," no questions asked.
1 posted on 02/04/2003 5:23:05 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
"We have to put everything on the table," said Grusendorf, R-Arlington.

Another GOP turncoat.

How much longer will the suckers believe that the GOP is the party of less government and lower taxes?

2 posted on 02/04/2003 5:28:11 AM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Theodore R.
These are desperate actions to save a nominally egalitarian system and of course (thankfully) they will fail. Give it a few years and we will be in the same boat as many third world countries and the elite won't know what went wrong.
3 posted on 02/04/2003 5:29:10 AM PST by junta
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To: Mulder
Texas will go the way of California, it's already got the second highest budget deficit and poverty is being imported at extremely high rates. Someone has to pay and it can't just be the border tax-payers because they're maxed out.
4 posted on 02/04/2003 5:31:55 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Theodore R.
I know some smug liberals in Texas, there for the tax advantages. I always get a hoot out of liberals choosing to live where taxes are low and illegal gardeners and hosuemaids are plentiful. Wonder if they'll end up moving to New Hampshire...
5 posted on 02/04/2003 5:34:09 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: FITZ
Fortunately, they will still need to get a state income tax passed the voters due to our present state constitutional amendment prohibiting a state income tax.
6 posted on 02/04/2003 5:34:44 AM PST by writmeister
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To: FITZ
Texas will go the way of California, it's already got the second highest budget deficit and poverty is being imported at extremely high rates. Someone has to pay and it can't just be the border tax-payers because they're maxed out.

Sadly, you are probably correct. For years, many immigrants adopted (or were indoctrinated) with Texan culture, but there are so many immigrants now that they simply bring their own third-world culture here. Just like they did in California.

In 10 years, it's entirely likely that Texas will have an income tax, strict gun control, and be considered a democratic stronghold like Kalifornia or New York is today.

All thanks to the treasonous immigration policies advanced by our politicans.

7 posted on 02/04/2003 5:36:15 AM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Theodore R.
Public schools in Texas are funded primarily with local property taxes and state and federal money. The school finance system takes money from property rich districts and gives it to poorer schools.

Schools in low-income areas have bought computers, books and new buildings with Robin Hood money — $600 million in the last two-year budget, a figure expected to ap proach $900 million by 2004.

Still, many poor schools say they lag behind and need more money to provide a basic education.

THis says it all. School funding is spread over the whole region, yet some districts are "poor" becasue they are in low income areas, even though they have roughly the same funding, yet they need more money. Has anyone ever tried to link poor performance in schools to the teachers or the local culture that does not emphasize education? In this article, it sounds like schools in a wealtheir district should have less funding than schools in poor districts. Maybe someone from Texas can say if my take on this is accurate?

8 posted on 02/04/2003 5:37:52 AM PST by doc30
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To: Mulder
Also, many outside TX do not know that TX already has quite high property tax rates! We pay property taxes to cities, counties, school districts, and community college districts as well. The highest taxes are to the public schools! In the Laredo city school system, this past Saturday voters approved a new property tax plan, 55-45 percent. Supporters said that this was a renewal and not "new taxes," but I do not know the details. Some people can't get enough taxation. They are tax junkies.
9 posted on 02/04/2003 5:40:07 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: writmeister
Hopefully a state income tax won't pass, but it will soon because there are some fast demographic shifts occurring in Texas, the southern counties have extremely fast population growth due to immigration and they want equal living standards, free health care, free education and the rest. The voters in the southern counties are democrats.
10 posted on 02/04/2003 5:49:28 AM PST by FITZ
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To: doc30
yet some districts are "poor" becasue they are in low income areas

In some of the southern counties the welfare rates are 30-50% of the population. It's not just low income, it's that much of Texas is a welfare state. The problem is that is where the majority of the population growth lies.

11 posted on 02/04/2003 5:52:06 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Theodore R.
Texas Republican party will be dead if a state income tax becomes reality. Texas pubbies will not stand for it.
12 posted on 02/04/2003 5:52:27 AM PST by dalebert
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To: Theodore R.
I REALLY get tired of the liberals who deliberately distort the legend of Robin Hood.

Robin Hood DID NOT steal frem the rich! Robin Hood stole from a corrupt government that had taxed it's citizens into poverty!

13 posted on 02/04/2003 5:58:17 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You are so right! Let's call it what it is---THE KARL MARX BILL!!!!
14 posted on 02/04/2003 6:03:23 AM PST by basil
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To: Theodore R.
re: high prop taxes in Texas

Pretty high sales tax, too. A highend house in Austin on the Lakes, say $700K in market value, would also cost about $15K a year in taxes.

Now Texans are losing their homeowners' insurance due to abusing the system. Owning a house in Texas, though you can buy a lot of house for the money, costs you.

15 posted on 02/04/2003 6:14:24 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mulder
I have a more optimistic view of Texas. The Kali crowd moving there has been mostly the conservative and 2nd amendment types. It usually doesn't take long to indoctrinate most foreign cultures to the "Texas Philosophy".

Oddly, it seems the most difficult to convert are the Muslims and Hindi. They keep to themselves for the first generation and seem to have little desire to acclimate outside of the working environment. It is mostly the second generation of those groups that take to the “Texan” attitude. (My high school girlfriend’s father was from Bombay, Avionics Engineer for the Military)

Most of the Orientals, especially the Koreans, pick up the “Texas” ideals almost at once. Europeans can take a few years but usually come around. The Hispanics convert right to the “Tex-Mex” and “Texas Cowboy” ways right off the bat.

A state income tax will never pass a vote in Texas. You would see a revolt first.
16 posted on 02/04/2003 6:22:16 AM PST by El Laton Caliente
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To: Theodore R.; FITZ; Mamzelle; All
Clinton alert: Clinton to lecture at UT on Feb. 12.
17 posted on 02/04/2003 6:24:48 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Theodore R.
If and when a state income tax becomes law in Texas, that will go down in history as "the day the Republican party died," no questions asked.

Things are very very broke in Texas, and rather than fixing the problems and installing some accountability amongst those who handle taxpayer money, they just want to pass the buck on to the taxpayer. There have been several times over the past few years of governments in Texas, from state down to local, wasting money on various projects that didn't pan out or were canceled. There is no "punishment" for those who do so, they simple continue to burn through taxpayer money and/or ask for more.

It's not helping the Republicans in Texas when Perry pulled his "we can't fix it" spiel a few weeks ago.

18 posted on 02/04/2003 6:26:10 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Hap; Bacon Man; Flyer; Eaker; dix; PetroniDE; humblegunner; bobbyd; antivenom; RikaStrom; ...
Ping 'cause we CANNOT let this happen.
19 posted on 02/04/2003 6:29:40 AM PST by Xenalyte
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To: Theodore R.
What about phasing out the expensive and educationally ineffective public school system, and replacing it with cheaper and better private and religious schools? Wouldn't that save a lot of money?
20 posted on 02/04/2003 6:39:22 AM PST by aristeides
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