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U.S. should refuse to admit anyone from any Islamic country
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 3 feb 03 | Stanley Crouch

Posted on 02/03/2003 6:56:43 AM PST by white trash redneck

We are now hearing of how bad things are in East Africa for those who are fleeing war-torn areas and waiting in refugee camps to immigrate to the United States. Some are eating only once a day; a woman was raped and shot to death; many who were cleared for immigration before Sept. 11 are stuck in terrible conditions, all because of the way our intensified security has backed things up.

I felt empathy for those mostly Muslim people, but I also am opposed to anyone from any Islamic country coming into America for at least another decade. Everything I have seen gives me the impression that America is hated by the majority of those in such countries and that --- as a ''Frontline'' documentary recently showed --- there are even young women who look forward to their children becoming terrorists.

Consequently, I feel none of the oppressive sentimentality that those of Irish, Italian, Jewish, Eastern European, Latin and Caribbean backgrounds have when the subject of immigration is raised.

First, immigration hasn't done much for black Americans, who, more often than not, have been pushed aside so immigrants could get jobs that those who logged the most time in this nation should have gotten.

More than 100 years ago, when America was becoming a nation of immigrants, that meant many skilled blacks were kicked to the curb so some foreigners could get on the gravy train, however much hard work that train demanded. So I feel no great love for the idea of immigration as some high-minded aspect of American history.

Was American culture enriched, even so? Yes, in both bright and dark ways from the mountaintops of public policy, the arts, entertainment, technology and education down to the organizing of crime along the corporate model.

But we are now faced with something very different. I am not willing to see American lives put in danger to make an academic point about our history and our ability to rise above xenophobia and religious prejudice. All that sounds good among schoolteachers and those who become hysterical because their relatives fled disaster of some sort in Eastern Europe or elsewhere and made a way for themselves and their children in this nation. Good, I'm glad they did.

Such people are not the ones I'm talking about. I'm not even talking about Islam; I'm talking about a problem. I'm talking about those with Islamic backgrounds who can so easily seem civilized but who, given the nature of destructive technology in our time, can murder thousands if they are committed to it.

As cold as it might seem, I am not bothered if 50,000 people are kept out of the United States so we don't admit among them 19 more like the ones who brought off the murder raid Sept. 11.

Those who want to rant against such thoughts should take their complaints to the Islamic terrorists. They created this situation --- and redefined the meaning of immigration along the way.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: immigration; islam; muslims
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An excellent idea. I'm not 100% certain how the government would define an Islamic country, but I pretty much take the position of Justice Holmes on pornography - I know it when I see it.
1 posted on 02/03/2003 6:56:43 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck
Woo, how bold of Stanley Crouch! Particularly that line about followers of Islam can *seem* to be so civilized...
2 posted on 02/03/2003 6:59:20 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: white trash redneck
props !!!!
3 posted on 02/03/2003 7:02:58 AM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: white trash redneck
Ummm ... almost. I would admit non-Moslems coming from Moslem countries. One of the fun features of Islamic government is dhimmitude, a system of oppression of Christians and Jews that is even more malevolent that apartheid.

By the same token, I would not admit Moslems coming from non-Moslem countries (e.g. Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, coming from England).

4 posted on 02/03/2003 7:07:42 AM PST by DonQ
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To: white trash redneck
Way to go Stanley.

I agree.
5 posted on 02/03/2003 7:14:27 AM PST by conservativemusician (close the damn borders)
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To: white trash redneck
"I'm not even talking about Islam; I'm talking about a problem"
This is the crux of the whole matter.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far, all terrorists have been Muslims.

Until Muslims start working toward a solution, they all will remain part of the problem.
6 posted on 02/03/2003 7:14:27 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: white trash redneck
My proposal is we not admit Muslims from anywhere except Turkey. Non muslims from muslim countries would be okay.
7 posted on 02/03/2003 7:15:37 AM PST by weikel (Your commie has no regard for human life not even his own)
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To: white trash redneck
I also am opposed to anyone from any Islamic country coming into America for at least another decade.

What, after 1400 years of jihad muslims are suddenly going to be civilized in another decade or so? How about NEVER allowing the b******s in? EVER.

8 posted on 02/03/2003 7:37:19 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: white trash redneck
I've proposed the same to friends, and it has some positive features, chiefly: no detailed investigations of individuals - just a country wide ban.

Start by banning Saudi Arabians and Yemenis, since the 9/11 terrorists came from those countries. Ban Afghanistanis and Pakistanis too, and Egyptians. No one from Iran, the Phillipines, or Indonesia, since their jihadi cults have made the news. No one tanned males from France or England. No young male Americans allowed back in after visiting Muslim countries, unless on active duty in the military.

9 posted on 02/03/2003 7:48:39 AM PST by secretagent
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To: white trash redneck
I can scarcely believe Crouch wrote something this xenophobic. We can't just assume all Muslims are dangerous. At the very least, our ability to do business with such vital countries as India, Malaysia, and Indonesia, not to mention the Mid East countries, would be destroyed. We just can't do something like this, nor should we.
10 posted on 02/03/2003 7:53:30 AM PST by ArcLight
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To: secretagent
I submit that we go back to some of the original ideas about immigrants and just admit those who are threatened by religious persecution.

That would be Christians and Jews from Muslim countries.

We'd have enough fine additions to our country just from this sector. They would be in sync with the ideas and culture of this country.

11 posted on 02/03/2003 8:00:04 AM PST by happygrl
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To: ArcLight
He doesn't see even most Muslims as dangerous, just hard to distinguish from the jihadis. Since we don't have the resources to distinguish, just ban all of them.

Not xenophobia, just practical screening.
12 posted on 02/03/2003 8:03:00 AM PST by secretagent
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Sounds good. The Sudan would have the most immigrants, I think.
13 posted on 02/03/2003 8:07:58 AM PST by secretagent
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but I pretty much take the position of Justice Holmes on pornography - I know it when I see it.

Yeah. How can an open society tolerate a religion that doesn't tolerate the practice of other religions? I say it's an impossibility. We can only support a Mohammedan minority that is a substantial minority. Once the Mohammedan minority becomes sizeable, our society will become unstable.

14 posted on 02/03/2003 8:15:01 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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It's easy.. Stop all immigration,period.
Start tracking down all who are in this country illegaly and throw them out. Yes it'll take a while but when you dont take out you garbage for 50 years you have to make a lot of trips.
Visitors would be registered and if they overstay their visa tracked down and kicked out never to be allowed to visit ever again.
This would show the terrorist types that they can no longer come to America , dissapear into the crowd , and plot acts of violence against the citizens.
15 posted on 02/03/2003 8:15:25 AM PST by squibs
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To: happygrl
That is an excellent suggestion.
16 posted on 02/03/2003 8:17:43 AM PST by Siobhan (+ Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet +)
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To: DonQ
Ummm ... almost. I would admit non-Moslems coming from Moslem countries.

Makes the job a lot harder than just a country-wide ban, though.

One of the fun features of Islamic government is dhimmitude, a system of oppression of Christians and Jews that is even more malevolent that apartheid.

I'd like more publicity on this. I'd like Bush to say no Muslim tourism from countries that practice religious discrimination, like Saudi Arabia.

By the same token, I would not admit Moslems coming from non-Moslem countries (e.g. Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, coming from England).

I don't know how we'd tell their religion. I'd hate to have passports stamped "Christian", "Jew", or "Muslim".

"Wahhabi Muslim", hmmm... :)

17 posted on 02/03/2003 8:24:01 AM PST by secretagent
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How can an open society tolerate a religion that doesn't tolerate the practice of other religions? I say it's an impossibility. We can only support a Mohammedan minority that is a substantial minority. Once the Mohammedan minority becomes sizeable, our society will become unstable.

We can tolerate intolerance, as long as it conforms to certain limits. Voluntary segregation, as opposed to Jim Crow laws, for example.

18 posted on 02/03/2003 8:31:32 AM PST by secretagent
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To: squibs
Visitors would be registered and if they overstay their visa tracked down and kicked out never to be allowed to visit ever again. This would show the terrorist types that they can no longer come to America , dissapear into the crowd , and plot acts of violence against the citizens.

It wouldn't have stopped all the 9/11 terrorists. I think some of them obeyed all the immigration laws.

19 posted on 02/03/2003 8:35:22 AM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
Y'all need to read up on Dhimmitude and how the Dhimmis are treated in Moslem societies.......if their kind become the majority, hold on tight.....no more nothing, we will become slaves.

Moslems have no concept of religious tolerance.
20 posted on 02/03/2003 8:38:33 AM PST by matthew_the_brain
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