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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!; Howlin; Carry_Okie
I was finally able to locate my old booster "stuff".

The "old" solvent was Trichloroethane. It was replaced by "PF Degreaser" manufactured by P-T Technologies, 108 4th Ave. South, Safety Harbor, FL 34695.

The Specification for this wonderful elixir is MSFC-QPL-2490 "CLEANER, ORGANIC WITH D-LIMONENE", which was issued in July 1995.

This specification establishes the requirements for an environmentally compliant hand wipe cleaner...

The cleaner shall be a clear liquid, free of foreign material and have a faint citrus odor as determined by visual inspection with the unaided eye (corrective lenses permitted).

I guess everybody thought I was joking about the lemon-scented cleaner.

The "old" J-Flap adhesive was Morstik 132, which contained TCA. The "new" stuff is Morstik 227, which is water-based. (I don't have the specs. on that stuff.)

Another cleaner called out in B5303 (the booster stacking procedure) is "Reveille Cleaner Formula #02191". The specification for that is MSFC-SPEC-2489 "CLEANER, ORGANIC", issued in July 1995. It is manufactured by Diversey Dubois International, Inc., 255 E. 5th St., Cincinnati, OH 45202. This stuff is a petroleum distillate of some kind.

It should be noted that each of these specs listed only one product which met the specifications. In fact, they were both written so that only a single product could possibly meet the specifications.

Anybody want to bet that these two companies had political connections to the clinton administration?

Once again, you are reading something here on FR which you won't find anywhere else in the media. FReepers Rule!

37 posted on 02/06/2003 5:22:49 AM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
Thanks! Good work!

Bump!!!

39 posted on 02/06/2003 5:29:21 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Go Gordon; Carry_Okie
BumPing. See thread 37. I knew I read something before on FR tying Clinton and the environwackos to everything bad ;-)
40 posted on 02/06/2003 5:32:47 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: snopercod
bttt
41 posted on 02/06/2003 6:19:49 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: snopercod; DoughtyOne; anniegetyourgun
I guess everybody thought I was joking about the lemon-scented cleaner.

Not in the least; and thank you for your tenacity.

It should be noted that each of these specs listed only one product which met the specifications. In fact, they were both written so that only a single product could possibly meet the specifications.

Well blow me down. < /sarcasm>

The Slave Party, at its most deadly usual. When are we going to start throwing these fetid turds into cold jail cells?

Annie, note the above post by snopercod. Hopefully, you may will start to understand why so many of the engineers on this forum are suspicious of NASA. It isn't that we necessarily think that this bit with the cleaner for adhering the tiles, or the foaming agent was THE cause of the accident; it's that this kind of crap is systemic in government contracting. Aerospace equipment is so over-engineered that usually, by the time something finally fails, one can point to a destructive combination of at least half a dozen screwups. It's the nature of such things.

The thing that gets us mad is that so many of these decisions are decided by political associations, instead of sound engineering judgment. That is the nature of government contracting. For NASA to be "fixed," much of it will have to be privatized, else there won't likely be honest accountability.

There is precedent for such cynicism, annie. The Challenger incident would not have been solved had NASA not been forced to accept Richard Feynman, a physicist from CalTech without affiliation to NASA, to lead the investigation. He's the guy with the tenacity and the drive for truth that it took to unearth the booster o-rings as the critical point of failure. NASA was launching at temperatures that were too cold, and, as most of us knew, the engineers at Morton Thiokol had been over-ruled. Then came the cover-up.

43 posted on 02/06/2003 7:44:26 AM PST by Carry_Okie (With friends like these, who needs friends?)
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To: snopercod
Anybody want to bet that these two companies had political connections to the clinton administration? //////////

WOW!!! Always a possibility
71 posted on 02/07/2003 11:06:17 AM PST by Gracey
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To: snopercod
From google search on P-T Technologies
see: www.pttech.net
"PT Technologies, a Division of LPS Laboratories Worldwide and located to the Northeast of Atlanta, GA, began its operations in 1984 with the introduction of the #1 selling safe alternative solvent to Trichlor 1,1,1 our d'Gel Cable & Tool Cleaner and was merged into LPS Laboratories in mid-2000."

searched for LPS Laboratories- found "about" link that states that LPS is a division of Illinois Tool Works
http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/ProductLine.asp

ITW says, "Illinois Tool Works Inc. (NYSE:ITW) designs and produces an array of highly engineered fasteners and components, equipment and consumable systems, and specialty products and equipment for customers around the world. A Fortune 200 diversified manufacturing company with more than 90 years of history, ITW's approximately 600 decentralized business units in 44 countries employ nearly 49,000 men and women who are focused on creating value-added products and innovative customer solutions."

We need to know who is on the Board of Directors and who is the CEO of each company. In addition, we need to know the relationship between each company and the Clinton donor roll.

Please post more info on the companies.
75 posted on 08/27/2003 4:28:11 AM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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