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San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 2, 2003 | David Perlman

Posted on 02/02/2003 4:46:45 PM PST by seraphMTH

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: seraphMTH
Struck by lightening?
21 posted on 02/02/2003 5:42:10 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (France and Germany: The Axis of Weasel)
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To: rintense
Listening to the Sunday afternoon briefing, NASA had backed away from that "plasma" theory and was going to integrate eye-witnesses accounts from California with their telemetry timeline.
22 posted on 02/02/2003 5:43:20 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: a_Turk
I wonder how much I can get for that picture?
23 posted on 02/02/2003 5:43:30 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: philetus
One word: Paranoid
24 posted on 02/02/2003 5:44:11 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: mrsmith
A lightning bolt...at 200,000 feet.

Yuppp! Tha's gotta be wha it was!

25 posted on 02/02/2003 5:45:29 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: mikegi
What's the point of keeping the photos private? His agent is still in the process of negotiations I am sure.
26 posted on 02/02/2003 5:45:56 PM PST by L`enn
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To: Redleg Duke
Is that two noids?
27 posted on 02/02/2003 5:48:03 PM PST by philetus
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To: Yasotay
Right after Sunday's Nasa briefing, CNN showed very good pictures of what appears to be ice (not insulation), during lift-off, breaking off and hitting the left wing. It is very clear that many people in CA saw the first parts of the breakup. I wonder if anyone got videos of the break-up with their telescopes?

Interesting point. Since the NASA beuracracy is not paid to check for freezing conditions, it may have been overlooked. Is NASA a union organization? Sure seems like one.

28 posted on 02/02/2003 5:49:12 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (France and Germany: The Axis of Weasel)
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To: Texasforever
You could become a millionaire, but you might want to add a picture of our lady of Fatima in there first :)
29 posted on 02/02/2003 5:49:57 PM PST by a_Turk (The price of oil is always high.. Question is: Who pays it?)
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30 posted on 02/02/2003 5:54:38 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
a missing #17... was it good?

Here for the facts in this matter join this thread here from last night


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/834060/posts?page=114#114


31 posted on 02/02/2003 5:56:56 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
I guess it was pulled do to poor taste. My only point was that nowdays, pictorial "evidence" on the web is worth zilch.
32 posted on 02/02/2003 5:58:17 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: rintense
>>Didn't NASA debunk the whole 'it broke apart over California' story saying the flashes that were seen were plasma flashes?<<

San Fran to Dallas at an average speed of 14K mph would take 6.9 minutes.

It is highly plausible, and may in fact be known already, that the complete failure sequencetook longer than that, and that it started with tile loss, which may well have been visible from the Bay area.

33 posted on 02/02/2003 6:03:59 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Texasforever
this isn't.......

wall street journal today!

It's said that journalism is the first draft of history. If so, the Internet sometimes affords us a glimpse at history's rough outline. At 8:38 a.m. EST yesterday, a reader of the Free Republic Web site started a discussion thread for shuttle enthusiasts:

Space Shuttle Columbia is in a decent for the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and will pass over the San Francisco Area around 6:00 AM Pacific Time. Route will take the Shuttle over Las Vegas, Flagstaff, etc. NASA has still not decided which runway will be used. Landing will be at 9:16 AM Eastern.

Other Freepers joined in, describing the view of the descending shuttle from the West Coast--then gradually realizing something was amiss. Someone asks at 8:58 a.m. EST, "Was it glowing at all?" The first clear sign of trouble comes in a post at 9:05 a.m. We won't quote any more than this, because you really have to read the full thread to appreciate the drama. But it's worth noting that the first word of trouble didn't come across the Associated Press wire until 9:16, the scheduled landing time. Free Republic scooped the AP by at least 11 minutes--which is an eternity in the competitive world of wire-service reporting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/834464/posts?page=
34 posted on 02/02/2003 6:06:29 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: mrsmith
A "sprite".
35 posted on 02/02/2003 6:07:42 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TLBSHOW
Here for the facts in this matter join this thread here from last night

And you linked to YOUR own words. Kindly tell me when your opinions became fact?

36 posted on 02/02/2003 6:07:59 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Texasforever
The picture everybody around here is showing as the shuttle breaking up is, in fact, a still of the time the guy tried to use his Zoom; when he pulls the lens back, you can still see the shuttle INTACT.
37 posted on 02/02/2003 6:09:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: mrsmith
"Admin moderator was with me the whole time officer!"

LOL

38 posted on 02/02/2003 6:11:48 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Howlin
Are you for another round?
39 posted on 02/02/2003 6:12:48 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Redleg Duke
Yup! A big ol'bolt at 200,000+ feet! Happens every day.

 

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Stanford Report, March 13, 2002
Lightning scientists capture an elusive 'blue jet' on video

BY DAWN LEVY

Lightning dazzles and amazes as it lights a night sky. Related displays of atmospheric electricity -- 'red sprites' and 'blue jets' -- inspire awe too. But less is known about these natural illuminations, which occur at high altitudes, where the thin atmosphere makes them ghostly and special instrumentation is sometimes needed to view them.

On Sept. 14, 2001, scientists saw -- and caught on video -- a gigantic flash of electricity that discharged from the top of a thundercloud and reached all the way up to the lower ionosphere. This image is enhanced with false color, as the event was recorded using a monochrome low-light video system that does not display the blue color that the researchers saw. Image courtesy of Pasko et al. 2002, reprinted courtesy of Nature.

Though sprite sightings are now common, blue jets have remained elusive -- until now. In the March 14 issue of the journal Nature, scientists at Penn State, New Mexico Tech and Stanford report that they caught one on video. It's the first direct evidence that electricity can discharge from the top of a thundercloud and reach all the way up to the lower ionosphere, the electrically conductive layer that encircles Earth, bends electromagnetic waves and influences global communications. This previously undocumented route may prove to be a common path in the global electric circuit.

"It's the first time that a blue jet has been observed from the ground," says Stanford electrical engineering Professor Umran Inan, a pioneer in the use of very low frequency radio waves to study the electrical environment of the Earth's atmosphere. "Previous observations of blue jets fizzled earlier in altitude. Previously, we've seen a blue jet start from the cloud and reach maybe 40, 45 kilometers [25, 28 miles]. The ionosphere is at 75, 80 kilometers [47, 50 miles]. This one reaches all the way up."

 

Comparing red sprites and blue jets

Type red sprites blue jets
starting point base of the ionosphere cloud tops
direction downward upward
speed can exceed 10 million meters per second (about 33 million feet per second) 100,000 meters per second (about 330,000 feet per second)
color predominantly red predominantly blue
shape varies conical

 

The lead author on the Nature paper is Victor Pasko, an associate professor of electrical engineering at Penn State who completed his Ph.D. and postdoctoral work on sprites with Inan at Stanford. His co-authors are Inan, John Matthews of Penn State, Mark Stanley of New Mexico Tech, and fifth-year doctoral student Troy Wood of Stanford. The research was sponsored by the National Science Foundation.

When clouds discharge static, only a small fraction of electricity travels to the ground as a lightning bolt, Wood says. It's more common for lightning to shoot between clouds, and even more common for it to crackle within clouds.

"The first recorded image of an optical flash above a thunderstorm was obtained serendipitously on July 5, 1989," says Pasko. "However, pilots and others reported observations of sprites and blue jets long before the first one was captured on video, and numerous undocumented reports of similar phenomena have appeared in scientific literature for over a century."

Sprites happen. So do blue jets, such as this one, caught on video for the first time ever. Electricity discharges from the top of a thundercloud, traveling in filamentary paths that branch more and more with increasing altitude. Hot spots are apparent when the electricity reaches the lower ionosphere. Image courtesy of Pasko et al. 2002, reprinted courtesy of Nature.

Over the past decade, many researchers have looked for sprites and blue jets from the ground, air and space. Of the two types of vertical flashes that have been identified above thunderclouds, sprites start near the base of the ionosphere and shoot downward at speeds that can exceed 10 million meters per second (about 33 million feet per second). They are predominantly red and come in a variety of shapes. Blue jets, in contrast, shoot upward from cloud tops at 100,000 meters per second (about 330,000 feet per second) and are predominantly blue and conical.

People used to think that blue jets could only be seen from airplanes. Blue light has the shortest wavelength of all colors, making it easiest for air to scatter -- that's why the sky is blue. But that also makes it difficult to spot blue jets from the ground, as air scatters blue light coming from the upper atmosphere. Special equipment made it possible for the researchers to view their blue jet from the ground. A video camera equipped with a light intensifier provided by ITT Night Vision Industries allowed them to spot a storm 201 kilometers (125 miles) away at night.

On Sept. 14, the researchers were about to experience one of those "happy accidents" for which science is famed. They had set up an experiment at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico to study the electromagnetic behavior of sprites. To monitor different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum in the upper atmosphere, the Penn State researchers employed optical instruments, and the Stanford and New Mexico Tech researchers, radio instruments.

That night, Pasko and Stanley were looking for a sprite above a small thunderstorm 201 kilometers (125 miles) out at sea. Instead, they were surprised to catch a jet.

Starting at a cloud top 16 kilometers (10 miles) in altitude, a tree of fire shot up, its lightning branching more and more as it rose to a terminal height of 70 kilometers (43 miles) -- the point at which electrical conductivity drops off sharply in equatorial regions. It looked like an electrified palm tree, with a bottom that was smooth and filamentary and a top that was dominated by hot spots.

Says Inan of the radio portion of the experiment: "Every lightning discharge is like an antenna, and it radiates an electromagnetic pulse. We can measure the electromagnetic pulse both locally and also at very far distances." One of their data detectors, at Palmer Station in Antarctica, identified the blue jet's electromagnetic "fingerprint" from more than 10,000 kilometers (about 6,000 miles) away.

The images revealed the electrical structure of a blue jet in intricate detail, and that data will inspire computer modeling to better understand atmospheric dynamics, Inan says.

At high altitudes the atmospheric conductivity is not very well known. "That's one of the reasons why these things are interesting," Inan says. "These altitudes are not easy to measure because satellites cannot stay in orbit -- the friction of air is too high. And it's much higher than airplanes or balloons can fly because the air is too thin. So you can't get there from here, except for these remote measurements."

The finding reported in the Nature paper shows that researchers do not fully understand the global electric circuit, Inan says. And it's hard to draw conclusions about blue jets based on a single captured event. "It might be that they are produced every night in every storm, or only in very special types of storms," he says. Blue jets may be specific to the tropics, Pasko suggests.

That may be why scientists never caught one before. Since the early '90s, they have looked for sprites extensively in Colorado, New Mexico and Mexico. "A lot of cameras were looking for hours and hours every night at sprites and phenomena that are related," Inan recalls. "We didn't see anything like this (blue jet)."

 

 

"These altitudes are not easy to measure because satellites cannot stay in orbit -- the friction of air is too high."
- Umran Inan, electrical engineering professor


40 posted on 02/02/2003 6:13:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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