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Front-line troops disproportionately white, not black
USA Today
| Tom Squitieri
Posted on 01/21/2003 1:38:52 PM PST by strider44
Front-line troops disproportionately white, not black Numbers refute long-held belief By Dave Moniz
and Tom Squitieri USA TODAY
WASHINGTON -- The American troops likeliest to fight and die in a war against Iraq are disproportionately white, not black, military statistics show -- contradicting a belief widely held since the early days of the Vietnam War.
In a little-publicized trend, black recruits have gravitated toward non-combat jobs that provide marketable skills for post-military careers, while white soldiers are over-represented in front-line combat forces.
The tilt toward white combat troops is recognized by many senior commanders and a small group of scholars who study the military.
''If anybody should be complaining about battlefield deaths, it is poor, rural whites,'' says Charles Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University in Illinois.
When Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., called recently for the return of a military draft, he evoked images of inequality raised during the early years of the Vietnam War, when black soldiers died at rates much greater than their share of the U.S. population.
Though Rangel is right that blacks and lower-income Americans still serve in disproportionate numbers, that fact misses another significant trend. While blacks are 20% of the military -- compared with 12% of the U.S. population -- they make up a far smaller percentage of troops in combat jobs on the front line.
In a host of high-risk slots -- from Army commandos to Navy and Air Force fighter pilots -- blacks constitute less than 5% of the force, statistics show.
Blacks, especially in the enlisted ranks, tend to be disproportionately drawn to non-combat fields such as unit administration and communications. They are underrepresented in jobs shooting rifles or dropping bombs.
Examples:
* Of the Army's 45,586 enlisted combat infantryman, 10.6% are black.
* Of the Air Force's 12,000 pilots, 245, or about 2%, are black.
* In the Navy, 2.5% of the pilots are black.
Senior Air Force officials say they are troubled by the number of black pilots and plan to do better.
* The Army's enlisted Green Berets are among the least diverse groups in the military. Only 196 of the Army's 4,278 enlisted Green Berets -- fewer than 5% -- are black.
The reasons for the racial divide are unclear, but several theories have emerged, including lingering racism in some quarters of the military and a tendency among black recruits to choose jobs that help them find work in the civilian sector.
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posted on
01/21/2003 1:38:53 PM PST
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strider44
To: strider44
Interesting statistics ....
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posted on
01/21/2003 1:40:23 PM PST
by
Centurion2000
(Memetic Engineer in training.)
To: All
Interesting.
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01/21/2003 1:42:56 PM PST
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01/21/2003 1:43:25 PM PST
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To: strider44
Don't know if this has been posted before. The stats are valid though. My aviation brigade had maybe 3 black pilots out of about 100. In all the special forces units across branches, the number of blacks is very low. Those that have been in the military know that some racism exists. You hear the typical stereotypes wispered - too lazy, undisciplined, don't want to be around so many other white soldiers...The problem is that this is even being brought up in the first place. There's zero room for this kind of crap within the ranks of SF, let alone the services as a whole. One good reason for going to war is it distracts people from this PC tripe.
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posted on
01/21/2003 1:48:37 PM PST
by
strider44
To: strider44
I don't doubt that these are true. Could you cite the source and study for these?
To: uncowed
I don't know that much about MOS designations in the Navy. I assume that each type of ship needs the same types of sailors whether or not its primary mission is combat or support. I would be interested in knowing the breakdown of submarine to surface. I've heard not too many blacks go with submarines. Who knows. I do know that the SEALs are almost exclusively white.
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posted on
01/21/2003 1:57:08 PM PST
by
strider44
To: strider44
Lord...this has only been posted at least 3 times already. The conventional wisdom is...if it seems like a popular topic, it has already been posted. TRY SEARCHING FIRST.
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posted on
01/21/2003 1:58:05 PM PST
by
xrp
To: Cacophonous
You'd have to check the article, it was posted on WND. I speak from 8 years of active duty experience when I add my $.02 of what I saw being in a combat arms branch.
To: strider44
The reasons for the racial divide are unclear, but several theories have emerged, including lingering racism in some quarters of the military and a tendency among black recruits to choose jobs that help them find work in the civilian sectorRacism? lets see you take an A.S.V.A.B. test when you first sign up to evaluate where best your skills can serve you go through boot camp and throught the various schools after boot camp to sharpen those skills and these skills mostly draw off the information derived from how well your A.S.V.A.B. turned out if your just an enlisted man you know what your going to do almost from the time you talk to your recruiter [ of course recruiter sometimes will promise things he has no control over. ]
For instance after my A.S.V.A.B i had 3 choices of schools [B T.]Boiler Tech [M M.] Machinist Mate. [G M.] Gunners Mate i knew i wasnt going to spend my life in the military so for me it was a toss up between BT and MM i chose BT because the skills i learned transfered directly to what ive been doing in civilian life and still am doing there was nothing racist about it !
The choice these people make are their own .
Bringing racism into it is just another ploy to discredit our armed services .
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posted on
01/21/2003 2:01:19 PM PST
by
ATOMIC_PUNK
(The Fellowship of Conservatives)
To: xrp
Sorry, I did a cursory search, and didn't notice the article while posting some other thoughts. You don't have to get excited about it.
To: strider44
To: xrp
Lord...this has only been posted at least 3 times already. The conventional wisdom is...if it seems like a popular topic, it has already been posted. TRY SEARCHING FIRST
It also helps when people use the true headline and dont change it to spice it up.
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01/21/2003 2:03:31 PM PST
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ATOMIC_PUNK
(The Fellowship of Conservatives)
To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"Bringing racism into it is just another ploy to discredit our armed services."
I'm not trying to discredit our armed services, I dedicated 8 years of my life to them. I merely state a fact - racism exist in the Army. I heard the word n*gger used dozens of times. Blacks hang out with blacks and the whites with whites, at least on the enlisted level. The racism went both ways too, the young black soldiers threw around racial slurs too. It's just a fact.
To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
LMBO looks like an echo chamber in that link
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posted on
01/21/2003 2:05:54 PM PST
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ATOMIC_PUNK
(The Fellowship of Conservatives)
To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Thanks for the link.
To: strider44
I'm not trying to discredit our armed services
EASY big boy i wasnt refering to you i was refering to the article at the bottom of it the paragraph that ends it .
As far as i can see you made no comment your comment block is empty!
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posted on
01/21/2003 2:15:10 PM PST
by
ATOMIC_PUNK
(The Fellowship of Conservatives)
To: uncowed
Such was the case when I went through boot camp at GLakes in 1969.....
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posted on
01/21/2003 2:18:29 PM PST
by
tracer
To: strider44
* Of the Army's 45,586 enlisted combat infantryman, 10.6% are black. Thats it? This country of 280+ million is relying on 45,586 infantrymen?!!!
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